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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by rl3 »

thethethethe wrote: post #152
rl3 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expected. Threads like these turn into a wasteland of downvotes for a reason. China is a superpower. Superpowers have units dedicated to information warfare. Some of these units deal with controlling discourse and sentiment. HN is a fairly prominent public forum within the tech industry. China wants global influence, particular in the technology sector. It's reasonable to assume they probably have some fairly clever…

The USA is a superpower. Superpowers have units dedicated to information warfare. Some of these units deal with controlling discourse and sentiment. HN is a fairly prominent public forum within the tech industry. The USA wants global influence, particular in the technology sector. It's reasonable to assume they probably have some fairly clever downvote rings here that are well hidden.

>Superpowers have units dedicated to information warfare.

My original comment already said as much, no need to mirror of my original comment in condescending fashion with minor changes, as if it's somehow profound.

The key difference is how the capabilities are used. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's fair to assume the U.S. military isn't going around suppressing speech that criticizes say, the United States' woefully broken system of incarceration.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by sillyquiet »

sangnoir wrote: post #91
sillyquiet wrote: post #42

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Not sure of the point of this comment, other than textbook whataboutism. Yes, the situation with the Native Americans wrt the expansion of European settlement in the Americas is similar. At the same time, chattel slavery was widespread and common amongst most nations in the world. Should we tolerate a nation today having slavery because it was a thing for us previously?

The United States governement is not honoring its treaties with the native peoples to this day. This is not just an artifact of the past, but an ongoing injustice. https://www.history.com/news/native-american-broken-treaties

Sure, ok that sucks. Still not sure why this is the topic of conversation in an article about the CCP treatment of a conquered nation.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #136
blahblahblogger wrote: post #94

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And that's crazy to me. I would have figured that with the CCP having ~1.5 billion people to choose from, that they could move a few million Han into Tibet (current pop. according to google: 3,648,100). Even just 1-2 mil could potentially accomplish the CCP's goals?

China isn't that socialist, there is no strong social safety net waiting to bail you out if you move to Tibet. If they can't make a life for themselves in Tibet, they would simply be left to die, so why take the chance?

Yes in contrast to Xinjiang you can't economically develop Tibet.

Even the CCP can't move mountains. Tibet is only good for tourism.

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Post by liuliu »

9999px wrote: post #111
optimalsolver wrote: post #105

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Does it ever occur to you that someone can not want to jump on the "China bad!" train and not be a bot?

Americans are gone. Anti-China sentiment is at a boiling point and I really no longer see objective reporting or discussions. It's infuriating that the US is able to manufacture consent so efficiently.

The reality is more depressing than imagining some central command manufactured this consent. It is just an emerging phenomenon to appease the audiences.

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Post by emkoemko »

optimalsolver wrote: post #105
stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

Does it ever occur to you that someone can not want to jump on the "China bad!" train and not be a bot?

how can anyone consider west Taiwan government as "Good"... we should ways fight against evil governments and companies that defend them just to have access to slave labour. American companies fighting the US government not to ban slave labour...NIKE

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Post by lostlogin »

usaar333 wrote: post #89
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

> There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level.

No. If a country annexes a smaller nation, they don’t get to call the invaded population ‘a minority’ just because a stroke of their totalitarian pen made the countries one.

It is true in the American contexts you cite, but you are there you are talking about the same land - not additional grabs.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by rl3 »

tablespoon wrote: post #142
rl3 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expected. Threads like these turn into a wasteland of downvotes for a reason. China is a superpower. Superpowers have units dedicated to information warfare. Some of these units deal with controlling discourse and sentiment. HN is a fairly prominent public forum within the tech industry. China wants global influence, particular in the technology sector. It's reasonable to assume they probably have some fairly clever…

Kinda sorta. The more reasonable explanation is they have an effective domestic propaganda apparatus to shape domestic atttudes and a large diaspora that's well represented in tech. It can take quite some time for those attitudes to mellow. Add to that Westerners of various stripes that get defensive when foreign imperialism is discussed. No need for some kind of government run downvote ring.

I think the more reasonable explanation is it's a combination of both.

What I described is pretty much a standard, expected, and elementary capability of any intelligence apparatus in the modern world these days. It doesn't even veer into conspiracy-anything. There's documents that detail precisely how some of these units work, Western or otherwise.

That said, if you're entirely correct, it's admittedly a very sad reality.

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Post by skinkestek »

colpabar wrote: post #127
skinkestek wrote: post #48

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The fuller quote that you conveniently leftout for it to match your sources is: > if Israel wanted its Arab population on birth control (emphasis mine) So, for a start the article is about something completely different. Secondly the article seems pretty open about the fact that the claims are dubious at best.

ok sure, replace arab with black then. This whole thread is about poor treatment of ethnic minorities, and the point of the comment I replied to is that we wouldn't tolerate forced sterilization of an ethnic minority group from a country like Israel. My response was that Israel has already done this, and we all seemed to tolerate it just fine.

My point is that you respond to one claim with something else while cutting the context and pretending it is the same.

And as I already pointed out the article is pretty clear that there isn't actually convincing evidence, especially not against Israel (it seems to be about a possible rogue NGO or something?)

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Post by lostlogin »

1024core wrote: post #129
queuebert wrote: post #8

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I believe the CCP is encouraging Han to move there until the Tibetans are no longer the majority. They may have already accomplished this, as an accurate census is hard to find.

Anecdata: my buddy's sister (Han) got a job in Tibet, dressing up as a Tibetan for tourists. He jokes, the Westerners can't tell one from the other, so they walk around in "traditional" Tibetan garb, smiling, looking happy. That's their job.

This is so dark. Now ‘the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet’ is complete.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_P...

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