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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

hosh wrote: post #35
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

It gets even more complex when you look at the history. The Yuan dynasty were ruled by the Mongolians. The Mongolians were devout Buddhists and revered the Tibetan Buddhists. The search for reincarnated Tulkas by the Tibetan Buddhists would extend into the Mongolian regions. The imperial family gave a lot of autonomy to Tibet. The last Imperial dynasty, Qing, was ruled by Manchurians. The Manchurians were a foreign,…

Just imagine if woke people invented a time machine. How would they figure out who's the oppressed that deserves to be saved?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by tablespoon »

rl3 wrote: post #119
chana_masala wrote: post #57

Lots of seemingly unwarranted gray comments in this thread.

Expected. Threads like these turn into a wasteland of downvotes for a reason. China is a superpower. Superpowers have units dedicated to information warfare. Some of these units deal with controlling discourse and sentiment. HN is a fairly prominent public forum within the tech industry. China wants global influence, particular in the technology sector. It's reasonable to assume they probably have some fairly clever…

Kinda sorta.

The more reasonable explanation is they have an effective domestic propaganda apparatus to shape domestic atttudes and a large diaspora that's well represented in tech. It can take quite some time for those attitudes to mellow.

Add to that Westerners of various stripes that get defensive when foreign imperialism is discussed.

No need for some kind of government run downvote ring.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by drocer88 »

hosh wrote: post #35
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

It gets even more complex when you look at the history. The Yuan dynasty were ruled by the Mongolians. The Mongolians were devout Buddhists and revered the Tibetan Buddhists. The search for reincarnated Tulkas by the Tibetan Buddhists would extend into the Mongolian regions. The imperial family gave a lot of autonomy to Tibet. The last Imperial dynasty, Qing, was ruled by Manchurians. The Manchurians were a foreign,…

"the imperial family were also devout Buddhists."

Do you have a link for this?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by neverywhere »

kat wrote: post #77
neverywhere wrote: post #12

China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

There are increasing number of reports in Canada that Indigenous Women were forcefully sterilized in the last few decades. Women who gave birth in hospitals had their tubes tied after giving birth. I agree this is a one of "the worst forms of racisim/ethonicide/genocide". And yes, I dont understand why more (white) Canadians are not aware of this, and why there has not been a larger out cry over this. https://www.cbc…

This is important and equivalent. Forced sterilizations of minority ethnic groups by the majority ethnic group is a crime against humanity.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by ethbr0 »

elefanten wrote: post #107
ethbr0 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country It is terrible. It is also common, although thankfully not so much in the 21st century as in previous. Of the top of my head... Americans, British, Canadians, Australians, Spanish South America, Germany, Russia, Various Balkan countries. My African history isn't very good, but I'd imagine there too. And these are just examp…

This is nonresponsive nonsense. First, you can't just link half of wikipedia and assume the correct supporting argument must be in there somewhere. There's a huge difference between different types of population control measures. But more to your direct point: the CCP is engaging in forced sterilizations right now in 2021. See sibling comments with links.

I linked "half of wikipedia", because that's in how many countries changing majority ethnicities has been state policy.

I'm not one to often bring whataboutism into arguments involving China, but I think it's an important point of context that many of the world's now-stable countries either perpetrated same or were victims of it.

It doesn't begin to excuse or justify it, but it does provide some perspective on the darker parts of our own history.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by [deleted] »

smt88 wrote: post #121
usaar333 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

Tibet was a sovereign country foe hundreds of years until it was invaded. It is currently occupied against its will. If someone believes Tibet to still be an occupied country rather than a part of China, it wouldn't be accurate to call Tibetans a minority.

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by bseidensticker »

lucasmullens wrote: post #95
VictorPath wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

was?

It's okay to talk about the past even if things still exist in the present.

Sure but using the past tense implies that the thing does not happen anymore.

That's why the Mitch Hedberg bit is funny (I used to do drugs... I still do but I used to, too) is humorous. It subverts your expectation that the thing you "used to do" is a thing you no longer do.

The US used to do horrible things to Natives... it still does but it used to, too.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by emkoemko »

throwawaysea wrote: post #11

Really sad to see Tibet under CCP control. It would be much preferable if the region were an autonomous province of India, with whom Tibet has cultural affinity. Note that the real Dalai Lama has had to live in exile for decades in India, while seeing his people get slowly indoctrinated by the Chinese government via various education programs and such ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama ). The word peop…

what on earth? why can't Tibet be free? why must to belong to west Taiwan or India? and why can't west Taiwan just let it be autonomous region under west Taiwan?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by [deleted] »

9999px wrote: post #111
optimalsolver wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it ever occur to you that someone can not want to jump on the "China bad!" train and not be a bot?

Americans are gone. Anti-China sentiment is at a boiling point and I really no longer see objective reporting or discussions. It's infuriating that the US is able to manufacture consent so efficiently.

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by throwaway98211 »

optimalsolver wrote: post #105
stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

Does it ever occur to you that someone can not want to jump on the "China bad!" train and not be a bot?

Absolutely -- there seems to be tons of real people very eager to equate criticism of the CCP to 'China bad!' and this is part of the problem. The CCP (like all major governments in history) has / is / will do things that are worthy of pushback and scrutiny. Please stop cheapening the debate by attempting to reframe critique of a major government's policies as nationalistic prejudice.
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