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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by smt88 »

usaar333 wrote: post #89
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

Tibet was a sovereign country foe hundreds of years until it was invaded. It is currently occupied against its will.

If someone believes Tibet to still be an occupied country rather than a part of China, it wouldn't be accurate to call Tibetans a minority.

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Post by ChemSpider »

usaar333 wrote: post #89
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

Yeah, but they call them a "minority" within their very own country (Tibet, occupied since 1950).

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Post by curation »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #102
beaunative wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure that's what in the mind of Hitler/Romans/Crussaders as well.

It's easy to be motivated by plunder and prestige, back when it was possible.

A main reason why so many in the West have taken part in the protests against China is ideological: Tibetan Buddhism, deftly spun by the Dalai Lama, is a major point of reference of the New Age hedonist spirituality which is becoming the predominant form of ideology today. Our fascination with Tibet makes it into a mythic place upon which we project our dreams. When people mourn the loss of the authentic Tibetan way of life, they don’t care about real Tibetans: they want Tibetans to be authentically spiritual on behalf of us so we can continue with our crazy consumerism.https://mondediplo.com/2008/05/09tibet

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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usaar333 wrote: post #89
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

> Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. There's lots of criticism I'd have for Chinese policy, but this terminology isn't one of them. It's very common to use the term "minority" to refer to a group that is a minority at the national level, but could still be a majority in some local level. This is true in the American context as well (Native A…

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by aww_dang »

stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

There are most likely other posters who see things from the opposite perspective.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by chrchang523 »

blahblahblogger wrote: post #94
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is difficult, only 8.17% were Han in Tibet according to the 2010 census (probably higher now, but far from 50%), not including military stationed there. Even with the subsidies they are providing, life is fairly hard in Tibet due to the high altitude. Even the high altitude areas of adjacent provinces (which were formerly part of Tibet) don't have many Han in them.

And that's crazy to me. I would have figured that with the CCP having ~1.5 billion people to choose from, that they could move a few million Han into Tibet (current pop. according to google: 3,648,100). Even just 1-2 mil could potentially accomplish the CCP's goals?

This is made more difficult by the fact that Tibetans tend to have biological adaptations to life at that altitude which Han Chinese lack.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by colpabar »

skinkestek wrote: post #48
colpabar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Imagine if Israel You don't have to imagine. https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-ethiopians-coerced-into-bir...

The fuller quote that you conveniently leftout for it to match your sources is: > if Israel wanted its Arab population on birth control (emphasis mine) So, for a start the article is about something completely different. Secondly the article seems pretty open about the fact that the claims are dubious at best.

ok sure, replace arab with black then. This whole thread is about poor treatment of ethnic minorities, and the point of the comment I replied to is that we wouldn't tolerate forced sterilization of an ethnic minority group from a country like Israel. My response was that Israel has already done this, and we all seemed to tolerate it just fine.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by justicezyx »

hosh wrote: post #35
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

It gets even more complex when you look at the history. The Yuan dynasty were ruled by the Mongolians. The Mongolians were devout Buddhists and revered the Tibetan Buddhists. The search for reincarnated Tulkas by the Tibetan Buddhists would extend into the Mongolian regions. The imperial family gave a lot of autonomy to Tibet. The last Imperial dynasty, Qing, was ruled by Manchurians. The Manchurians were a foreign,…

> the imperial family were also devout Buddhists.

That is mostly a political gesture to rule Tibet under the qing empire.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by 1024core »

queuebert wrote: post #8
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

I believe the CCP is encouraging Han to move there until the Tibetans are no longer the majority. They may have already accomplished this, as an accurate census is hard to find.

Anecdata: my buddy's sister (Han) got a job in Tibet, dressing up as a Tibetan for tourists. He jokes, the Westerners can't tell one from the other, so they walk around in "traditional" Tibetan garb, smiling, looking happy. That's their job.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by tablespoon »

sillyquiet wrote: post #42
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, native Americans?

Not sure of the point of this comment, other than textbook whataboutism. Yes, the situation with the Native Americans wrt the expansion of European settlement in the Americas is similar. At the same time, chattel slavery was widespread and common amongst most nations in the world. Should we tolerate a nation today having slavery because it was a thing for us previously?

> Not sure of the point of this comment, other than textbook whataboutism.

And mission accomplished. Almost all the comments in the top 50% of the page right now aren't talking about the topic of the OP, but rather the distraction from it.

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