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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tibetan people represent 0.4% of the Chinese population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_people

Tibet isn't China. They got Crimea'd in the "Peaceful Liberation of Tibet"

Exactly. Similar situation, though. Both countries are being unrightfully claimed.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

I believe the CCP is encouraging Han to move there until the Tibetans are no longer the majority. They may have already accomplished this, as an accurate census is hard to find.

It is difficult, only 8.17% were Han in Tibet according to the 2010 census (probably higher now, but far from 50%), not including military stationed there. Even with the subsidies they are providing, life is fairly hard in Tibet due to the high altitude. Even the high altitude areas of adjacent provinces (which were formerly part of Tibet) don't have many Han in them.

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I'd like to read the detailed summary of CCP's policy and effects in Tibet. I was born and grew up in China's Shanxi province, got college degree in Shanghai and masters in Beijing, all in top universities; which means that I was subject to constant indoctrination and massaged (or even fabricated) information all the time. There has never been detailed political reports on sensitive issues like managing Tibet. But I…

The article seems to be mostly based on https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232511.shtml which is about the release of that report, but includes bits from other sources, including unnamed local officials in Tibet.

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China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

> birth control If you're referring to the now-obsolete one-child policy, IIRC, they do this to all ethnicity. The ethnic minority usually got more slack when the government enforced this policy. > family separation Mind elaborate a bit?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 : "China forcing birth control on Uighurs to suppress population, report says".

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... : China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

It gets even more complex when you look at the history.

The Yuan dynasty were ruled by the Mongolians. The Mongolians were devout Buddhists and revered the Tibetan Buddhists. The search for reincarnated Tulkas by the Tibetan Buddhists would extend into the Mongolian regions. The imperial family gave a lot of autonomy to Tibet.

The last Imperial dynasty, Qing, was ruled by Manchurians. The Manchurians were a foreign, non-Han ethnic minority, and the imperial family were also devout Buddhists. The Qin emperors gave the Tibetan region autonomy, though they asserted state power by changing the selection process of the lamas back in the late 1800s.

My point is that, even if I disagree with how the CCP is wiping out the Tibetan heritage, this is a outgrowth of centuries of interactions, religion, and politics in that region.

I could also talk about the many ethnic groups in Napal and Himalayan regions, from which the Tibetan Buddhists assimilated many of the shamanic traditions of the region. From those Himalayan shamans perspective, the "lamaists" ganked their traditions and practiced them for the betterment of themselves rather than the betterment of the community. (From the Tibetan Buddhist perspective, those practices were reified within the View of Mahayana, for the betterment of all sentient beings).

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

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https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

I believe the CCP is encouraging Han to move there until the Tibetans are no longer the majority. They may have already accomplished this, as an accurate census is hard to find.

Tibet is a brutal place to live, short of forcing people there I doubt they will get a lot of takers.

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China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

> birth control If you're referring to the now-obsolete one-child policy, IIRC, they do this to all ethnicity. The ethnic minority usually got more slack when the government enforced this policy. > family separation Mind elaborate a bit?

Not OP, but China does many shady things in the Uighur region. For example:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/ch...

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

> enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country

It is terrible.

It is also common, although thankfully not so much in the 21st century as in previous.

Of the top of my head... Americans, British, Canadians, Australians, Spanish South America, Germany, Russia, Various Balkan countries. My African history isn't very good, but I'd imagine there too.

And these are just examples of state-sponsored and facilitated, non-genocidal (so leaving out direct murder) attempts to shift the majority ethnicity within an area.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_frontier https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_... https://australianstogether.org.au/discover/australian-histo... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Uruguay https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Balkans

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