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Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

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Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

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post #71

30 years to reach 1% of desktop usage, next year is going to be it, Windows 11 will make everyone migrate. Had Microsoft been half serious with NT POSIX subsystem as they are with WSL, and it would never taken off, as proven by the masses that rather pay for Apple or Windows devices instead of supporting GNU/Linux OEMs.

It has taken Apple almost 40 years to reach 15%.

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

#82
post #81
post #71

30 years to reach 1% of desktop usage, next year is going to be it, Windows 11 will make everyone migrate. Had Microsoft been half serious with NT POSIX subsystem as they are with WSL, and it would never taken off, as proven by the masses that rather pay for Apple or Windows devices instead of supporting GNU/Linux OEMs.

It has taken Apple almost 40 years to reach 15%.

So, does Linux plan to grow 14% in 10 years?

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

#83

25 years with Linux here, Linux is my sole OS for about 20 years, I'm so grateful for it.

That's pretty cool. What kind of setup (wm, common applications etc.) do you use? I of course assume you use it as a desktop OS, as opposed to CLI-only ;)

It's mostly debian/gnome then ubuntu/gnome all these years, the only time I need windows each year was to do turbotax which I run that inside a virtualbox/windows on linux for one or two days. I did not do games though which I believe Linux was not ready for that in the past.

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

#85
post #16

I used to order boxes of Ubuntu CDs, when they still shipped them for free, and would hand them out to students at University; the pitch that it had a full free office-compatible suite and a C compiler was enough to get people to readily pick up discs.

Boxes?! Nice. I still have a handful of those old Ubuntu live CDs for a couple different architectures. Pretty cool lil piece of computing history now, I guess. Not sure I really "converted" anyone to use Linux, but it got a few people interested to be sure!

Yup! I'd set the quantity to 50 or 100 in their order form, and usually receive around 25 to 60. Never was a consistent amount, but it was always enough to hand out.

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

#86

I remember installing it in 92 or 93 when I was in grad school via a big pile of floppies. It was liberating to turn an otherwise useless PC into something more or less equivalent to a sparcstation. I was a huge linux fan and evangelized for it everywhere. A few years later, I was acting as a sysadmin, and wanted to replace some aging DECstations with PCs running Linux. The prototype machine was great, except for how…

Oh, FreeBSD. I remember using the 5.x branch as my sole OS. It was a bit rough, but in the end not that much different from linux these days. Maybe a bit slower, but I did not cared. It survived everything I've done to it for several years, including me nuking the whole ports tree in /var on accident. :) So, how is it these days compared to Linux as a Desktop? With the current privacy-violating course of action at Apple and Microsoft I often feel like I have to prepare my retreat in advance.

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

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post #84
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, does Linux plan to grow 14% in 10 years?

For all we know, it might do even better. 10 years is a long time by today's standards.

I keep waiting to see the massive exodus that keeps being announced since Windows XP.

Instead Apple and Microsoft keep getting users that the only thing they care about is some kind of POSIX support, and don't care one second about supporting Linux OEMs.

In 10 years the Linux kernel might be everywhere, the userspace will be mostly gone, fully replaced by BSD licensed alternatives or commercial products.

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

#88

I remember installing it in 92 or 93 when I was in grad school via a big pile of floppies. It was liberating to turn an otherwise useless PC into something more or less equivalent to a sparcstation. I was a huge linux fan and evangelized for it everywhere. A few years later, I was acting as a sysadmin, and wanted to replace some aging DECstations with PCs running Linux. The prototype machine was great, except for how…

Unrelated: How do you measure the speedup of various your improvements in the web server you are working on e.g., what do you think about the SpeedUpTest protocol? https://hal.inria.fr/hal-00764454/file/Speedup-Test-Article-...

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt things would have been much different. It wasn't "mired" in legal issues, there was one lawsuit was brought against one company selling the code (not developers or users or hobbyists) in 1992, in '93 their injunction was denied and the case collapsed from there with a counter suit launched. It was all settled in 94. The myth is that BSD development ceased or scaled right back, but that really wasn't the case.…

I agree that the results might have been not too different if the lawsuit would have been settled earlier, but nonetheless, even a couple of years of delay for BSD was enough to let Linux mature enough to be usable for normal work, not only for experiments. If the initial toy version of Linux would have competed since the beginning with BSD, it might have been abandoned without further development. I have started to…

This kind of personal experience from that era is exactly what I was looking for, thank you!

Re: Happy birthday – 30 years of Linux

#90
post #88

I remember installing it in 92 or 93 when I was in grad school via a big pile of floppies. It was liberating to turn an otherwise useless PC into something more or less equivalent to a sparcstation. I was a huge linux fan and evangelized for it everywhere. A few years later, I was acting as a sysadmin, and wanted to replace some aging DECstations with PCs running Linux. The prototype machine was great, except for how…

Unrelated: How do you measure the speedup of various your improvements in the web server you are working on e.g., what do you think about the SpeedUpTest protocol? https://hal.inria.fr/hal-00764454/file/Speedup-Test-Article-...

I generally run nstat [0] and look for increases in network bandwidth, and/or decreases in CPU utilization and memory bandwidth. 380Gb/s is better than 240Gb/s :)

[0] https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/plain/net-mgmt/nstat/pkg-desc...

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