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TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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Re: TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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The chip shortage is interesting to me. In that it seems to be mostly driven by bad forecasting both by clients and the foundries. But the foundries seem to get nothing but upside out of it. Perhaps it swings next time and there's excess capacity.

I've heard the industry is full of exaggerated orders now to, everyone ordering more than they need, to see what they can get. Not a great way to have efficient trade.

I wonder if TSMC made a trip out to OPEC to talk about history :)

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Starting to get the feeling that the current prices for PC components are here to say.

My guess is also that the age of high-end graphics cards for 500€/$ has come to an end. Going to order a 3070 for 850€ now, after waiting for months

I had a gutfeel around 3080 launch it was going to be big, so grabbed one on launch day (had to wait for months for the local store to have stock though..). Now seeing them 2x the price. Crazy times.

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The chip shortage is interesting to me. In that it seems to be mostly driven by bad forecasting both by clients and the foundries. But the foundries seem to get nothing but upside out of it. Perhaps it swings next time and there's excess capacity.

I wonder if food shortages are possible for the same reasons.

Food availability is driven by weather as much as anything. The North American wheat harvest has been poor this year so the price of wheat is rising around the world.

Re: TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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My PC is 11 years old this year. I've been waiting to upgrade it for 2 years but held off because GPU prices are utterly ridiculous.

I don't know who can afford these inflated prices, I was hoping things would settle but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Re: TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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The chip shortage is interesting to me. In that it seems to be mostly driven by bad forecasting both by clients and the foundries. But the foundries seem to get nothing but upside out of it. Perhaps it swings next time and there's excess capacity.

There are some reports of collapsing lumber prices, when everyone was talking about the sky falling and prices skyrocketing two months ago. https://financialpost.com/commodities/lumber-prices-collapse... So your idea that semiconductor prices might fall a lot in the future seems reasonable.

I think that lumber storage is much more expensive compared to chips

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Starting to get the feeling that the current prices for PC components are here to say.

My guess is also that the age of high-end graphics cards for 500€/$ has come to an end. Going to order a 3070 for 850€ now, after waiting for months

1080 GTXes bough and resold on ebays for tens of times are still going strong.

Re: TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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My PC is 11 years old this year. I've been waiting to upgrade it for 2 years but held off because GPU prices are utterly ridiculous. I don't know who can afford these inflated prices, I was hoping things would settle but it doesn't appear to be the case.

Why not just purchase a used one on eBay?

Re: TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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Supply shortages are the excuse du jour, but so long as TSMC has the kingmaking node I expect it to become expensive. Very expensive. Expensive enough to move margin from the king their node made right back to TSMC.

As it should be. Without competition, and with demand outstripping supply, TSMC is free to find the price the market will bear.

Re: TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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I was told the inflation was temporary. This doesn’t sound temporary!

How big chunk chips are of the median consumer's basket? Sure, everyone and their dog has smartphones, but not everyone has to buy the next-gen high-end ones. (Where the price increase happens.)

Re: TSMC hikes chip prices up to 20% amid supply shortage

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I was told the inflation was temporary. This doesn’t sound temporary!

The inflation has been there for a while now; wages have been artificially depressed for decades while the stock market was growing 15% a year. But when there’s inflation for the rich we call it an “asset bubble”.

No. This is because inflation has a very specific meaning in economics. Inflation is not a synonym for “higher prices”.
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