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Post by matheusmoreira »

jstanley wrote: post #607
da_chicken wrote: post #405

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> People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. Once they know it's possible, people want a one click solution for anything. The subject being taboo has nothing to do with it. This is one reason why Youtube, Spotify, Steam and Netflix did such a good job combatting piracy for music, video games, and movies, while ROM sites are still a ubiquitous problem for 2…

Why is piracy of games for a 20-year-old console a problem? Is anyone still selling new games for those consoles?

Because copyright holders like the idea of reselling the same games to you hundreds of times. Nintendo resells the exact same games to people every time they launch a console. Companies create low effort compilations all the time.

You'd think they'd make their money and move on to new creations. You make something, it's successful, you make your money for 5 years or so and then it's public domain. You'd have to make new stuff to make more money. No. Copyright holders feel entitled to extract value out of their "property" essentially forever. It's the ultimate in rent seeking.

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Post by desine »

dTal wrote: post #752
asdff wrote: post #594

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It's ridiculous that games like super smash bros are the same price whether you buy them new on a switch or used for a 25 year old n64. No clue why nintendo bothers ending production runs on games when they know people still buy sell and play 30 year old titles. They could just license the reruns to someone else to produce the cartriges and disks and make money hand over fist. It always seems like nintendo has blinde…

For that matter - why not sell N64-compatible consoles? You could make them incredibly cheaply now, and they're definitely still in demand. Are they scared of cannibalizing their "high end"?

Why do you think they would be cheap? Many of the relevant chips have been out of production for decades. Sure you can emulate a lot on a logic device like an FPGA, but those are still expensive compared to a microprocessor, and your engineering costs will go up. Then you’re facing stiff competition- a vintage gamers ideal is exact hardware. Any sort of emulation will have slight quirks- timing changes, mildly perceptible audio frequency shifts, etc. if your product isn’t an exact match for the hardware, it’s competing with the hundreds of ARM based emulation oriented systems that popped up after the RetroPi concept took off. And for what, a few thousands units of sales? Most people fall into “fine with emulation + ROM”. A select few stick with vintage hardware, which is not expensive. The market for “very close to original hardware but not quite” is a hard sell.

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Post by aNoodleAmongUs »

thrown wrote: post #770
bcheung wrote: post #739

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I think they may stick around because it has the user base and why not, they are already making money so no point giving that up. But now models will diversify across multiple platforms because the writing is on the wall. They may lose their income at any point so they are going to have backups.

People will forget this ever happened in a couple weeks. By then, they'll be angry about something new. The old models won't use new platforms because it's so much easier to just stay on OnlyFans. They already chose the easiest career path with the most short-term gain, I don't see how they're suddenly going to start thinking long-term. I don't think these people think long-term at all, if they did they probably woul…

  People will forget this ever happened in a couple weeks. By then, they'll be angry about something new.
Big true. The adult content creator community is famous for this.

  The old models won't use new platforms because it's so much easier to just stay on OnlyFans.
After building content and following there for multiple years, it would be stupid to think that a majority of them would follow to new platforms. A lot of subscribers are not interested in giving their CC information to new platforms all willynilly.

  Soon enough, new models will be joining without any knowledge that this ever happened. It'll get memory-holed in weeks.
And Onlyfans will continue to be the biggest and most well known name in adult content platforms, making it the most profitable site for content creators to use.

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Post by partdavid »

cblconfederate wrote: post #602
psyc wrote: post #588

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There's a lot going on in the porn world, especially now that it's, er, democratized. Sex workers is very broad. Porn stars is a little fuzzy. Some porn stars are big names, and/or can actually act pretty well. Or excel at creating fantasies. A surprising number of cam girls just sit at their desk fully clothed, chin in hand, and the only action is their eyes darting around their monitor while bad background music ge…

"Sex workers" is synonymous with prostitution. Pornography is a form of art. "Sex artists" would make more sense. "Sex worker" sounds very pedestrian, we don't call actors or singers "theater workers". As for the girls just sitting in their desks that doesnt sound like sex-related work at all, they might as well be called cam-artists. This is a not a tiny niche anymore, there is space for more than one terms.

> "Sex workers" is synonymous with prostitution.

No, it's not, it's an umbrella term covering multiple kinds of sexually-explicit work people do, including prostitution, fetish modelling, camming, stripping, phone sex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_work

> there is space for more than one terms.

That's right, there's more than one term. When you want to say something about porn actors, you can use that term. When you want to say something about sex workers, you can use that term. When you want to say something about artists, you can use that term. They are different but overlapping terms and which one you use depends on what you're saying.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

jonny_eh wrote: post #804
jedberg wrote: post #464

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Netflix is getting into games for a reason. It's unclear if they only play to make new ones or also license old ones. But I agree with you, I'm surprised Steam doesn't have a way to get old ROMs.

> But I agree with you, I'm surprised Steam doesn't have a way to get old ROMs. They sell old games, e.g. Sonic the Hedgehog: https://store.steampowered.com/app/71113/Sonic_The_Hedgehog/ That's a Windows program that runs a Sega Genesis emulator that loads the game's ROM.

That doesn't entitle me to run the game on a much better emulator with RetroArch or apply fun ROM hacks on it.

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Post by rodgerd »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #578
cletus wrote: post #552

Does anyone think this was a failed pivot from the p0rn and the backlash was so great that they backpedaled? It actually reminds me of Ebay. Ebay became big with online auctions but as soon as they did they seemed to want to no longer be in the auction business. Instead they wanted to be in the online retail business. Maybe because there was more money per customer. Maybe because online retail was larger. Personally…

I suspect OnlyFans cobbled together a "honeypot" deal. This would explain why Pornhub, etc. lost their payment processing but OnlyFans feels confident they won't.

They change in processor heart seemed to happen after people started making a lot of noise that Mastercard explicitly refused to block payments to terrorist and other awful groups, but keeps going after sex workers.

I don't think the cards companies particularly want regulators taking a much closer look at where they're making their money.

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Post by jchw »

Ansil849 wrote: post #803
jchw wrote: post #796

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I don’t think this is true. Adult content is heavily policed by many important parties, including PayPal and mainstream payment processors. It’s certainly possible, but it’s wishful thinking IMO. Some were pointing to specific new restrictions coming from MasterCard as an example.

Regardless, people predicted that Onlyfans would do a full 180 on their decision shortly after, and here we are, a few days after and they have done a full 180.

Yes, people predicted the 180, I just disagree that they planned this all along necessarily.

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Post by rodgerd »

skohan wrote: post #660
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #652

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I don't have great answers to that, although I think by "banking partners" they actually mean "credit card companies" and most specifically mean MasterCard, which (assuming reporting on this I've read is correct) was or may still be in the process of further tightening their policies around adult content. Well, a not-great but plausible answer, maybe -- companies make changes, both good and ill, because they're panic…

Honestly that seems even more far-fetched. Visa and MasterCard are essentially a duopoly. Where on earth are customers going to flee to on bad pr?

Customers may not flee, but:

1. Customers in e.g. the EU may push their reps to "do something" about two US companies controlling all e-commerce.

2. Customers frustrated that Mastercard have gone on the record as refusing to block payments to terrorist-supporting orgs while refusing to process payments to look at titties may pressure regulators to start having a much closer look at Mastercard's money flows.

Both of those seem like meaningful concerns.

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Post by jonny_eh »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #815
jonny_eh wrote: post #804

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> But I agree with you, I'm surprised Steam doesn't have a way to get old ROMs. They sell old games, e.g. Sonic the Hedgehog: https://store.steampowered.com/app/71113/Sonic_The_Hedgehog/ That's a Windows program that runs a Sega Genesis emulator that loads the game's ROM.

That doesn't entitle me to run the game on a much better emulator with RetroArch or apply fun ROM hacks on it.

It doesn't stop you either.

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Post by _coveredInBees »

throwawaylolx wrote: post #687
_coveredInBees wrote: post #667

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I think a factor that they may be concerned about is that there is a large userbase that is spending a lot of money on OF and that they may very well all just move to BTC or some other cryptocurrency based solution to exchanging money. And once that happens, you have a younger generation that is more comfortable dabbling in making financial transactions without the banks being involved.

This just sounds like wishful thinking from cryptocurrency enthusiasts. There is no precedent of this happening, so I doubt they were so terrified about a completely hypothetical scenario.

There also hasn't been a precedent for a platform that has a large userbase spending hundreds of millions of dollars on sex workers being abruptly cut off by payment providers with no other recourse to processing payments from their userbase. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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