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Post by markpapadakis »

da_chicken wrote: post #405
rootsudo wrote: post #36

My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

> People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. Once they know it's possible, people want a one click solution for anything. The subject being taboo has nothing to do with it. This is one reason why Youtube, Spotify, Steam and Netflix did such a good job combatting piracy for music, video games, and movies, while ROM sites are still a ubiquitous problem for 2…

Apologies for linking to something I wrote; I believe convenience is addictive: https://markpapadakis.medium.com/convenience-is-key-2aad97d5...

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

brundolf wrote: post #615
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #455

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Yes: > “The proposed Oct. 1, 2021 changes are no longer required due to banking partners’ assurances that OnlyFans can support all genres of creators,” [an OnlyFans spokesperson] said. https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/onlyfans-drops-porn-ba... The Variety article theorizes that the backlash may have actually been exactly the outcome OnlyFans wanted, because they were able to focus public outrage toward the banks…

I'm honestly surprised the market forces are strong enough that the banks have to care about the bad PR at all Nobody wants to change banks even when it affects them directly. How many people are going to change banks out of principle? I guess some Gen Zers might be motivated not to pick Chase as their first bank?

I don't have great answers to that, although I think by "banking partners" they actually mean "credit card companies" and most specifically mean MasterCard, which (assuming reporting on this I've read is correct) was or may still be in the process of further tightening their policies around adult content.

Well, a not-great but plausible answer, maybe -- companies make changes, both good and ill, because they're panicked over PR fiascos all the time. From all appearances, MasterCard announced those policy changes because of PR pressure that was put on them by "Exodus Cry," a fundamentalist Christian anti-porn activist group. OnlyFans may have calculated that their best bet was to knock Exodus Cry off their hashtag-save-the-children pedestal.

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Post by whoaisme »

toyg wrote: post #580
Mindwipe wrote: post #508

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Nope. There was a little upkick at the start of the pandemic according to Sandvine, but Sandvine's methodology is not watertight and lots of people staying at home with not much to do seems a more likely culprit than service fragmentation.

anecdotally, I freeload on a Netflix account paid for by a friend, and last year I was tempted to get my own subscription. Then I noticed Netflix had fewer and fewer movies I was interested in, and just went back to sailing the high seas.

People like you always say you will pay but never do, not because of BS like selection but because you are cheap and will never pay for something you can steal. I dont even know why you'd pretend to be interested in paying.

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Post by wongarsu »

max46 wrote: post #498
wongarsu wrote: post #182

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And youtube. Creators constantly want to move away from youtube with it's content-id with incredibly slow appeals process that makes most types of fair use nearly impossible, it's demonetization that intransparently makes your videos unprofitable because you said the wrong word or made the wrong sound, the blatant favoritism when it comes to the "trending" page, etc. But the viewers are on youtube, and network effect…

The part that you are missing is that all of alternatives to YouTube pay creators little or no ad money and have far worse search engine/discoverability. If a creator is getting demonetized on youtube, moving to a platform with no monetization would not solve their problem. And sooner or later, any platform that becomes popular would have to implement a content ID system and and have to deal with ban/demonetization w…

There have been plenty of (mostly short-lived) competitors that paid out more per view than YouTube. But that's obviously meaningless if there are barely any viewers on the platform.

I agree that content ID is a necessary system in principle. Not legally necessary, but it's a system that solves real problems YouTube had before its existence. The problems with it are largely around YouTube heavily favoring recent content, while simultaneously having a support that takes weeks to even look at your case if you can't raise a twitter storm. They are trying to completely automate a problem that's full of subtlety and rife with abuse, and then don't give you any way to resolve it when it goes wrong. Other platforms don't have to choose the same path

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Post by kraftman »

Crontab wrote: post #314
rootsudo wrote: post #36

My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

I've noticed that a large portion of women submitting in the /r/Gonewild subreddit have an OF these days.

That's simply not true, because /r/gonewild are extremely strict about not allowing OF creators. They can post under a seperate account but any mention of they're main account or OF results in a swift permanent ban.

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Post by toofy »

skohan wrote: post #618
toofy wrote: post #608

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I could see why this might be your first thought, but I suspect this move might have hurt OF more than helping, simply because most of the people who formerly/currently call OF home have now lost any sense of stability. Tho, as we’ve seen in the past, network effect will likely play a huge part in most of the content creators staying with OF. However I just can’t imagine the feeling of safety/permanence in platform c…

I don't know if they have much to worry about. Where would those creators move? Is there any even remotely comparable platform in terms of user-base and pop-culture penetration? If you were worried about stability would you really feel better moving to some unknown upstart competitor?

Yeah, that’s why I brought up the network effect that OF brings.

I’m sure OF will be fine, I just hope they feel it a bit because this has to have shaken the foundations for a lot people who relied on them.

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Post by [deleted] »

laputan_machine wrote: post #306
lugged wrote: post #257

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You know Devs can relatively easily get around 250k in NY / SF right? Trades are solid career choices but it's hard work and you expire at about the same rate as a software dev.

So sick of seeing these wildly inflated numbers, they increase after every post I'm sure. Most of us here who are software devs are not earning close to 150k, stop using a few SF salaries as the baseline for the rest of us. It is really annoying.

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Post by purerandomness »

mastersummoner wrote: post #622
coderintherye wrote: post #575

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No. They call out the specific banks here: https://www.ft.com/content/7b8ce71c-a87a-440e-9f3d-58069ca04...

Unfortunately that's behind a paywall.

Install a browser extension that bypasses paywalls, like [0]

[0] https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clea...

Re: OnlyFans drops planned porn ban

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Post by skohan »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #652
brundolf wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly surprised the market forces are strong enough that the banks have to care about the bad PR at all Nobody wants to change banks even when it affects them directly. How many people are going to change banks out of principle? I guess some Gen Zers might be motivated not to pick Chase as their first bank?

I don't have great answers to that, although I think by "banking partners" they actually mean "credit card companies" and most specifically mean MasterCard, which (assuming reporting on this I've read is correct) was or may still be in the process of further tightening their policies around adult content. Well, a not-great but plausible answer, maybe -- companies make changes, both good and ill, because they're panic…

Honestly that seems even more far-fetched. Visa and MasterCard are essentially a duopoly. Where on earth are customers going to flee to on bad pr?
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