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My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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It's absolutely ridiculous that Macs don't come with a 3 year warranty by default. I've bought maybe a dozen macs in the last 15 years (for myself and the family) and while some have lasted many years without issues, some have died on me on the second or third year. Because the initial investment is so high you're practically forced to add extra Apple Care to protect it because there's a 20-30% chance you will have p…

My experience with Dell laptops seems to match up with your experience on the MBP. If something is going to fail, it will usually fail immediately or last the "lifetime" of the device. Batteries being the main exception as those age out fast ..

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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This honestly seems like a terrible machine. I own an XPS and had in-home service. I called dell and we agreed my keyboard needs to be replaced. A few days later a guy shows up at my door and replaces the keyboard. I never had to go anywhere. Obviously, the mileage might vary if you travel outside of the us. But......again....that many repairs are downright scary. There is also one anecdotal fact I want to add about…

> I miss the old days of online nerds before "marketing" teams realized they can really advertise through social media and now you can't even tell what is real.

Yeah, true. When I was new to HN, I had a minor altercation with some mod here because I posted a reply to a particular comment that the poster seemed to be doing paid marketing / shilling for Apple. My comment was deleted and I was reminded that as per HN community rules, I cannot accuse anyone of such things. Annoyed, I replied to the mod that it seemed obvious that the post was paid social media marketing. Someone (I don't remember if it was the mod or another fellow member of HN) pointed out that if the same logic was applied to my critical and negative posts about Apple, someone could make an argument that too was paid social media marketing by Apple's competitors. I was honestly stumped for a moment because negative campaigns are a fact too (e.g. politicians do a lot of negative campaigning through social media; the Chinese are aggressively known to do such kind of negative campaigning by posting negative reviews of their competitors product on Amazon).

That said, it does happen on HN too. It would be unreasonable to expect otherwise - the kind of high net worth / IT influential crowd that comes to HN is the very market that Apple (and others) target.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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don't Lenovo and Dell have global support / repair plans at additional cost ?

Yes. I have had next-day on-site support for Thinkpads in Europa, South Africa and the US. For devices not necessarily purchased in that country. The only question I got was with a German Thinkpad in the US when the power brick failed: "Do you want the replacement with the European plug or the US plug?". Everything else was fixed promptly without any questions or issues with warranty status. And no Thinkpads don't fail that often, I just have used them for more than 20 years.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just surpassed them, but when you compare Apples to apples, their professional hardware today is utter dogshit. The most glaring example I can think of is that the Mac Pro isn't built seemingly for anyone. For $6000 you can build a VFX workstation with an overpriced(!) top-of-the-line threadripper and RTX 3090 and 1TB Samsung SSD which performs more than 4 times faster than their $13,000 highest-end CPU configura…

You're right, it wasn't built for everyone. and the kind of people it WAS designed for don't even blink at $10k

Even studios have budgets. I don't care about spending $6-15k for business hardware per inventory unit, plus you're not purchasing it frequently or in mass orders.

The problem I and a lot of other firms have is the value you're getting for it. It's utter garbage, and has been all over the press for years now, so it's not exactly news.

When big studios and little firms alike are complaining and asking, "Who exactly is this for?" It's clear they don't care about mass professional market consumption. And I'm talking about businesses that are going to spend over $6000 per desktop-compute unit.

The organizations that I have seen are the only relevant customers are the ones who have deep Apple-centric workflows, and they're not buying a lot of the hardware. They might have under 10 units in the office at most.

If the prices were more inline with what the rest of the hardware market looked like, I'd provide Mac Pros to each staff member because it would be a no-brainer.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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post #42

I have a gripe with every Macbook Pro I've owned, and I've owned 4 of them over the last 10 years. They all lag when I type. I hit a key, and it takes a while before it shows up on screen. The effect is at its worst in Safari, but it shows up most everywhere else as well. Sometimes, I'll type a few letters or even words before they start showing up. Doesn't matter if I wipe the machine and reinstall, and Apple has ne…

I've noticed this too: at first on my friend's hackintosh, which I just chalked up to a bad kext or something. I was pretty surprised to find that the used MBP I bought also exhibited the behavior. Touch-typing on it feels like I'm fat fingering a Nokia keypad, with how frequently I need to delete and try again.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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post #54

Apple is basically the BMW of computers at this point. it's a shame, it would be nice to go back to a point where there was more quality/durability inherent in the product.

2012 macbook pro is basically like an e30 series bmw. Completely workable with common tools. I've gone into this computer for repairs or hardware upgrades over the years a dozen times by now and thanks to its repairability and performance with updated components I am still using it today.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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post #69
post #52

It's absolutely ridiculous that Macs don't come with a 3 year warranty by default. I've bought maybe a dozen macs in the last 15 years (for myself and the family) and while some have lasted many years without issues, some have died on me on the second or third year. Because the initial investment is so high you're practically forced to add extra Apple Care to protect it because there's a 20-30% chance you will have p…

My macbook air died one month out of the yearlong warranty. In their troubleshooting at the apple store they managed to wipe the device and still couldn't breath life into it or figure out what happened. >$400 flat rate repair and they didn't even offer me a loaner in the mean time while the computer was mailed off. I would think apple could compete on customer service with the shade tree mechanic and their loaner ca…

I had the opposite experience. My macbook air battery was dying, so I paid the $129 to replace it. When I got the computer back, it wouldn't charge. So, they replaced the motherboard. I got it back and it still wouldn't charge - so they handed me a brand-new next-gen macbook air. Inconvenient, sure, but exceeded my expectations. I've found they've been generous with battery replacements.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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I looked at this person's homepage: https://pqvst.com/ Looks like they use their Mac a lot judging by all the projects they're working on. I have a strategy that is common to all hackers / nerds / technophiles and that is: having multiple devices for different things. It's common to see in hacker circles: This laptop is for gaming. This other laptop is for freelancing & business. My other laptop is for toying / tinke…

Yes. My laptop is where I do all my work. Since I work remote a lot, I try to stick to as few devices as possible. Having a MacBook where I can also run Windows and Linux as VMs when I need to, has been a huge benefit.

https://pqvst.com/2021/08/24/my-macbook-pro/#2019-03-23---ex...

Were you using an Apple adapter when this happened?

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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I looked at this person's homepage: https://pqvst.com/ Looks like they use their Mac a lot judging by all the projects they're working on. I have a strategy that is common to all hackers / nerds / technophiles and that is: having multiple devices for different things. It's common to see in hacker circles: This laptop is for gaming. This other laptop is for freelancing & business. My other laptop is for toying / tinke…

I have a gaming desktop, personal laptop(which I almost never use), and a work laptop. Why would anyone have 10 devices? That is craziness. Do you have a machine for SQL? Machine for mobile? Machine for web?

I have:

* Personal workstation/gaming machine

* Employer provided work laptop (MBP)

* Surface Go Tablet used for reading around the house, light travel, etc.

* Personal Dell laptop used for longer travel

* Old desktop converted to a server for running services I always need up.

* A rpi 3b used for running services I want to physically separate from the internet accessible main server.

I've considered repurposing some old hardware I have laying around into a htpc type thing for gaming/emulation on my TV, but that's on hold right now due to GPU pricing.

So I'm not far off 7. Other tech-heavy users may have seperate devices for their spouse/kids, or dedicated devices for specific OSes (my main workstation is a dual boot, my laptop is linux only and the tablet is windows only). So I can see a path to 10 for others.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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After AppleCare expires Apple caps the user cost of hardware repairs per visit to some number they look up in a per-model table that presumably varies over time.

It appears the author doesn’t know this as they seem quite nervous about losing coverage.

In my case I got a keyboard / top cover, logic board, and battery all replaced for $400 and change, on a 6.5 year old machine well out of AppleCare. They only do this while the model is not considered obsolete, and they have more discretion to do things in your favor if your initial purchase was made directly through Apple, and if you previously had AppleCare on the device, even if it is expired.

In the US, after five years they declare your device obsolete. Or after seven years in some states in the US (edit: in cases where it is required to be that long by state law). Then after that, your only repair options are DIY or third party.

Also if there is a repair done by Apple at any time, in or out of AppleCare, that repair itself is warrantied for 90 days. And if an issue was put on the record in Apple’s support system for your device before AppleCare expired, it can still be covered even if it is brought in for repair after AppleCare expired.

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