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Re: We Hire Old People

#21

Given the Principals only ask, this is interesting. There is something humble about asking for mentor, and this is something that I wish I had when I was younger. I wonder how far I could have gotten if I embraced asking for help sooner instead of just tinkering away and relearning old lessons.

Principals, in this context, means people applying directly, rather than recruiters on their behalf.

Re: We Hire Old People

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> The hiring process is in the form of a paid, short-term consulting gig that will lead to a full-time offer if we like you and you like us. We'll give you some tasks, you'll get them done, and then we'll talk. No need to quit your day job to do this gig; we'll work around your schedule. Interesting. I look forward to hearing if this works out long term. I'd be worried about legal implications of something like this…

I mean, they say outright they hire old people and they hire young people. So I think you can make the argument fairly easily that that group includes everyone and that they are not discriminating.

I don't think there is discrimination immediately evident. I think there are legal implications in actively soliciting contract work from people who currently work at other companies under full time contracts that may preclude them from doing stuff like that (ex: FAANG).

Re: We Hire Old People

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> The hiring process is in the form of a paid, short-term consulting gig that will lead to a full-time offer if we like you and you like us. We'll give you some tasks, you'll get them done, and then we'll talk. No need to quit your day job to do this gig; we'll work around your schedule. Interesting. I look forward to hearing if this works out long term. I'd be worried about legal implications of something like this…

What would you think is illegal about it? They make it clear that age is not an issue.

Many full time jobs include language preventing you from working a second job in a similar role.

Re: We Hire Old People

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> The hiring process is in the form of a paid, short-term consulting gig that will lead to a full-time offer if we like you and you like us. We'll give you some tasks, you'll get them done, and then we'll talk. No need to quit your day job to do this gig; we'll work around your schedule. Interesting. I look forward to hearing if this works out long term. I'd be worried about legal implications of something like this…

What would you think is illegal about it? They make it clear that age is not an issue.

My thought is that it might be illegal to do consulting without your employer's approval in some places (like the US).

Re: We Hire Old People

#26

Clickbait basically. I feel they would be better off going to GitHub and messaging people working on the type of projects they are looking for. I like the consulting part. Maybe they don't absolutely need an FTE and are keeping the option of having a part time consultant on the table.

> Clickbait basically.

Not really, The "We Hire Old People" was just something the HN submitter picked. It's not the title of the original job posting.

Re: We Hire Old People

#28

Given the Principals only ask, this is interesting. There is something humble about asking for mentor, and this is something that I wish I had when I was younger. I wonder how far I could have gotten if I embraced asking for help sooner instead of just tinkering away and relearning old lessons.

Principals, in this context, means people applying directly, rather than recruiters on their behalf.

I interpreted it as "Principal level engineers only". Clarification would be helpful.

Re: We Hire Old People

#29
I want more companies to follow this. Age is a good thing in most industries, maybe all. I think silicon valley’s stock market drove it towards a “younger is cheaper and will work for free lunch” and that pushed our elders out.

Re: We Hire Old People

#30
I wrote the ad. Holy cow, I didn't expect to be #1 on Hacker News. Will answer any questions.

Here's one you might ask: Why? I'm pushing 60 and I've attempted to interview for developer jobs over the last year. Got nowhere despite 40 years of experience. Getting really, really tired of this industry's attitude toward people like me.

Based on questions below, I'll give a bit more. Earlier this year I had a personal referral into Facebook for a developer position. They do hiring centrally. A very young person in the HR department spoke to me, put me in the central database, and apparently shopped my experience around to a number of different groups. No takers. No one wanted to interview me, so the application died. Never did a tech assessment.

So now I've started a new group, and I expect this thing is going to generate a lot more money than any work at Facebook ever would. So Facebook did me a favor. Still, it rankles.

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