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Bhad Bhabie (cash me outside meme girl) made over $1M in 6 hours and said she could retire right now from the amount of money she has made off OF. And she's not doing "porn" or even posting fully nude photos. There's a big movement to gain a lot of followers on social media like TikTok and then redirect those followers to their $5/month OnlyFans. There are a lot of people making a living or at least significantly boo…

OF is probably similar to Etsy, where the 95th percentile make millions and the median income is $0.

Every “social” or user generated platform is like that. Handful of people make serious money, then a small middle class and 90% are just trying to chase their dream while making <$100 a month

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Why do we call pornstars sex workers and not artists?

There's a lot going on in the porn world, especially now that it's, er, democratized. Sex workers is very broad. Porn stars is a little fuzzy. Some porn stars are big names, and/or can actually act pretty well. Or excel at creating fantasies. A surprising number of cam girls just sit at their desk fully clothed, chin in hand, and the only action is their eyes darting around their monitor while bad background music ge…

"Sex workers" is synonymous with prostitution. Pornography is a form of art. "Sex artists" would make more sense. "Sex worker" sounds very pedestrian, we don't call actors or singers "theater workers". As for the girls just sitting in their desks that doesnt sound like sex-related work at all, they might as well be called cam-artists. This is a not a tiny niche anymore, there is space for more than one terms.

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White this is temporarily great news for sex workers, its worth keeping a couple things in mind: This would seem to be in large part an extension of the wider religious right and groups similar to the Moral Majority's push from previous decades to remove sexuality or "objectional content" from the public sphere. This recent OnlyFans (and PornHub) pressure were driven in large part by pressure from Exodus Cry and NCOS…

How much of a role did these groups play in anyone’s decision making here? I’ve never gotten the impression that either of these groups to be especially influential outside of getting congressional reps to occasionally sponsor symbolic legislative fights. Like you can run all the media that you want but ultimately banning porn from the internet is a pretty quixotic endeavor and the stakeholders in OF know this. Where…

Wrt influence, much of it comes from the association that these groups have worked hard to build between porn and sex trafficking. Simply disliking porn because of religious and/or conservative values is easy to dismiss for a large majority of people.

However, if "sinful" adult content and sex work becomes synonymous with non-consent, hurting children, etc, their arguments become far more difficult to dismiss without looking badly in the public eye. Especially for our politicians where discourse is limited to extended soundbytes and debates that leave no room for nuance or deeper discussion.

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OF is probably similar to Etsy, where the 95th percentile make millions and the median income is $0.

Twitch is certainly that way as well. The median viewer count is likely single digits. Though I can say with considerable certainty that a lot of wannabe Twitch streamers think that being a streamer just means having people watch you play a game, which may be true for story-driven games that don't get a lot of viewers, since it creates a more movie-like experience, and may be true for highly-competitive games where y…

In the Justin.tv days, the median viewer count was zero: At any given time, 2/3 of the live channels had literally nobody watching.

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it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

In Germany, all Craftsmen are just laughing. Tiler, Carpenter, electrician, etc.. all of them have enough to do, can choose their clients and their wages. I understand that HN always will tend to talk about CS, but Craftsmen are doing their 40k/year, easily. The Salary potential is just increasing.

In Germany there must be an undersupply of these laborers. Come to California and you will find electricians with years of experience, all sorts of craftsman, woodworkers, tilers, roofers, hvac specialists, approaching you with your three cans of paint and asking you for work in the home depot parking lot. Maybe that's just what happens though when you get your working experience in another country like Mexico or El Salvador and these trades in the U.S. are protected by a licensing process that doesn't care about relevant unlicensed experience.

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Wonder if this was all a publicity stunt to put pressure on their payment processors.

Possibly. The amount of coverage this got in the financial press (particularly the FT) would seem to support this theory. Additionally, it's interesting that the reversal happened after he named the banks in his FT interview yesterday.

Since FT article is paywalled, would you be kind to quote these names here?

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My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

> People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. Once they know it's possible, people want a one click solution for anything. The subject being taboo has nothing to do with it. This is one reason why Youtube, Spotify, Steam and Netflix did such a good job combatting piracy for music, video games, and movies, while ROM sites are still a ubiquitous problem for 2…

Why is piracy of games for a 20-year-old console a problem? Is anyone still selling new games for those consoles?

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Does anyone think this was a failed pivot from the p0rn and the backlash was so great that they backpedaled? It actually reminds me of Ebay. Ebay became big with online auctions but as soon as they did they seemed to want to no longer be in the auction business. Instead they wanted to be in the online retail business. Maybe because there was more money per customer. Maybe because online retail was larger. Personally…

If anything I thought maybe it was a publicity stunt.

I could see why this might be your first thought, but I suspect this move might have hurt OF more than helping, simply because most of the people who formerly/currently call OF home have now lost any sense of stability.

Tho, as we’ve seen in the past, network effect will likely play a huge part in most of the content creators staying with OF. However I just can’t imagine the feeling of safety/permanence in platform choice will return for most of them.

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Because the early 1900’s prohibition and the war on drugs has totally shown us ridding us of something there is massive demand for totally works!

We seem to be managing to get rid of smoking.

It was not made illegal. Cigarettes are available everywhere.

It was made uncool. The product placement in movies and such disappeared, so you don't see super cool hero looking awesome as he smokes while going to do something important.

Ads targeted at kids are illegal. Everyone knows it is unhealthy. There isnless social pressure to smoke.

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Does anyone think this was a failed pivot from the p0rn and the backlash was so great that they backpedaled? It actually reminds me of Ebay. Ebay became big with online auctions but as soon as they did they seemed to want to no longer be in the auction business. Instead they wanted to be in the online retail business. Maybe because there was more money per customer. Maybe because online retail was larger. Personally…

No, I think they wanted to pressure payment providers to relent, by redirecting public fury that way. Seems like it worked.
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