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S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by ericmay »

echelon wrote: post #79
ericmay wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 50% of Americans use jPhone, and many as their primary computer device. Isn't this article about Korea? Anyway. > You can't reach them without paying Apple Tax And? If it's that bad just don't do business with iPhone users. Can you not make money on the other 50% of users who use Android? If so that's kind of telling on its own. Or is it that you want your own business to be more lucrative? The thing is what is hap…

I wish Apple fans would see the world outside their bubble and empathize more. > Isn't this article about Korea? The choice Korea is making is the same one the EU, Japan, etc. should be making. And ultimately, the same one to make right back at home. > If it's that bad just don't do business with iPhone users. I'm pissed that I could write software for everyone pre-App store. This is all artificial nonsense that Appl…

> I wish Apple fans would see the world outside their bubble and empathize more

What if we already listened to the arguments and discussion and just disagree? Maybe you should empathize more with me and not try to change something that I enjoy and have enjoyed since it was originally released? Where's your empathy?

> What costs?

Apple makes money. That money funds the development of the iPhone. It also funds and allows them to create programs and initiatives I support like data privacy labels. If Apple is forced to throw this stuff out, those are costs that I now bear as a consumer. Apple might have to raise the price of the iPhone either directly or indirectly. Or competitive pressures may force them to remove simple payment methods like Apple Pay, not force developers to allow anonymous sign-ons, and other things. From my perspective there is nothing to gain. I don't want two or more App Stores. Period. I want one, just how it is, with Apple dictating the terms. It works well for me. Apple and I are on a team here.

> Their cartel is pure margin. They invented this scheme

Weren't you just complaining about not having high enough margin? So only you get to make money and not Apple or other companies? I'm an Apple shareholder (directly and indirectly). Their margins benefit me directly. Yours? Not so much. So let's not act like it's some big evil David vs Goliath thing. You're running just another business.

> You love our pain?

It might be pain to you, but it certainly isn't to me. I'd rather have far fewer apps than to see things change or have to deal with another App Store. I love my walled garden and developers like you are metaphorically barbarians at the gates coming to destroy a system I enjoy and works well for me. But why would you care about that when you want to make higher margins for your business? Something about empathy I think?

Sorry to sound like an asshole here. Just a hot topic.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by throwaway59553 »

oever wrote: post #22
yuvalr1 wrote: post #19

This is a move on the right direction, and is better than nothing. However, I think that a better move is to force HW platforms (maybe starting at a certain magnitude) to let the users use any software market they desire. This way Apple and Google can continue forcing the apps on their own markets to use their payment systems and "keep the users safe", while the other markets can do whatever they like

I would go further: software should always be optional in any hardware purchase and the price of hardware with software should be higher than the price of the hardware alone. Discount bundles with software + hardware should not be allowed. So no iPhone + iOS or laptop + Windows as one item. Selling hardware and software separately ensures that the hardware can be repurposed with independently sourced software. That g…

This is such an awful take. First of all 95% of consumers have no idea about how software and hardware works, they'd have to install the OS, drivers and basic programs. Most consumers value commodity above all, and they are more than willing to pay for it.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by TotempaaltJ »

throwaway59553 wrote: post #82
oever wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would go further: software should always be optional in any hardware purchase and the price of hardware with software should be higher than the price of the hardware alone. Discount bundles with software + hardware should not be allowed. So no iPhone + iOS or laptop + Windows as one item. Selling hardware and software separately ensures that the hardware can be repurposed with independently sourced software. That g…

This is such an awful take. First of all 95% of consumers have no idea about how software and hardware works, they'd have to install the OS, drivers and basic programs. Most consumers value commodity above all, and they are more than willing to pay for it.

It seems reasonable to me that a small but not insignificant market could emerge around providing convenience for this.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by detaro »

throwaway59553 wrote: post #82
oever wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would go further: software should always be optional in any hardware purchase and the price of hardware with software should be higher than the price of the hardware alone. Discount bundles with software + hardware should not be allowed. So no iPhone + iOS or laptop + Windows as one item. Selling hardware and software separately ensures that the hardware can be repurposed with independently sourced software. That g…

This is such an awful take. First of all 95% of consumers have no idea about how software and hardware works, they'd have to install the OS, drivers and basic programs. Most consumers value commodity above all, and they are more than willing to pay for it.

So they can choose the option to have the hardware with software and pay for it? Consistent with parent's proposal.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by space_rock »

mathverse wrote: post #57
lunarboy wrote: post #45

This itself I support, but I still think Korea favors its internal tech companies a little too much. One example: my experience using Google in the states is so much better than Kakao maps here, only because Google was barred from collecting geo data. I get a similar feeling that other foreign companies/services fail to stick here not due to inferior technology, but legal barriers.

Success of South Korea was built on protectionism and dogfooding its companies.It worked for them, it worked for China and again it worked for Singapore. That pattern is clear and only those incompetent or weak were unable to resist big corporations.

These countries have terrible software. Korean uncompetitive local services never expand internationally

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by paulryanrogers »

suifbwish wrote: post #14
NonContro wrote: post #5

What about Steam? They control 90% of PC gaming and even charge regressive commissions, with higher rates for smaller developers.

Sounds like an unrelated topic designed to get people to not focus on the main Google and apple topic. There are dozens of industries that could be broken up but aren’t. Take D*sney’s near monopoly on comic book/fictional characters/plotlines ect. No one bats an eye about that, why would anyone care about steam? It’s all just entertainment. Google and Apple aren’t just about entertainment as they touch almost every p…

Actually I'd say Disney cornering so much of childhood entertainment is a concern.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by space_rock »

3np wrote: post #9

I don't know if it's still the case but last I was in SK, there were no walking directions on Google Maps. My understanding was that Google was prohibited to incorporate this in order to favor local competitors.

Funny side effects is the navigation and cruise controls in foreign cars don't work. They will set the wrong speed limits and cruise at the wrong speed. I guess it helps the local businesses tho

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by echelon »

ericmay wrote: post #81
echelon wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish Apple fans would see the world outside their bubble and empathize more. > Isn't this article about Korea? The choice Korea is making is the same one the EU, Japan, etc. should be making. And ultimately, the same one to make right back at home. > If it's that bad just don't do business with iPhone users. I'm pissed that I could write software for everyone pre-App store. This is all artificial nonsense that Appl…

> I wish Apple fans would see the world outside their bubble and empathize more What if we already listened to the arguments and discussion and just disagree? Maybe you should empathize more with me and not try to change something that I enjoy and have enjoyed since it was originally released? Where's your empathy? > What costs? Apple makes money. That money funds the development of the iPhone. It also funds and allo…

Our field is being carved up by giants. It's a harvesting.

Companies like Apple decided to put energy into extraction rather than enrichment.

It's a shame. I wish I or someone like me was in charge, because I see a way to run things much differently and still produce great value for customers, shareholders, and the ecosystem.

Hoping the DOJ or Congress breaks this up since the Apple leadership won't.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by tooltalk »

pjmlp wrote: post #55
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's clear the days of this oligopoly operating unchallanged are numbered. I dont know a single person outside of the SV bubble who is buying 'mah free market!' argument so prevalent here.

Nope, since it is South Korea, it is obvious Samsung is at play here.

Are we talking about the same company whose CEO was paroled recently after spending much of the year in jail in South Korea?

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by mullingitover »

sooheon wrote: post #49
realmod wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's clear the days of this oligopoly operating unchallanged are numbered. Funnily enough, South Korea is a country essentially full of monopolies almost as large as the state.

It is a country built on state-sponsored oligopoly as competitive advantage.

I think ultimately this is why Apple and Google will get off with a slap on the wrist - like Korea, Japan, et al, we have our state industries that compete in the global economy. Apple and Google are our champion competitors, and while the US wants to appear principled, we also want to crush our global competitors. There is a snowflake's chance in hell that the US is going to cripple our champions in the name of principles, because it's not principles that are the concern, but the appearance of being principled. Why would we help the non-US businesses compete with the home team?
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