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Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by abdelhai »

riffic wrote: post #36
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #29

Deta Space appears to be very lacking in the product details department. I see a comment saying you can't self-host it, so it has to be on Deta's cloud, or can you even bring your own cloud provider? Is there any technical/security guarantee's to Deta's privacy claims? For one, a casual reading of their privacy page suggests they integrate a half dozen analytics (aka monitoring) tools including Google Analytics.

from the looks of it, I assume Deta is some sort of PaaS, and aims to be a hybrid between Heroku and Glitch. It's an interesting space to be in, but the product's maturity leaves a lot to be desired. If you have concerns you should probably just be using Heroku or your own homegrown solution in IaaS/Bare Metal.

Deta Space is still in developer alpha. We have a long way to go!

Deta Cloud (deta.sh) is a PaaS like Heroku. Deta Space (deta.space) on the other hand is something new we call the "personal cloud". We will announce more soon.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

abdelhai wrote: post #39
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #29

Deta Space appears to be very lacking in the product details department. I see a comment saying you can't self-host it, so it has to be on Deta's cloud, or can you even bring your own cloud provider? Is there any technical/security guarantee's to Deta's privacy claims? For one, a casual reading of their privacy page suggests they integrate a half dozen analytics (aka monitoring) tools including Google Analytics.

Hi, CEO of Deta here. On Deta Space, self-hosting means that once the app is installed in your own personal cloud, you have full ownership of the instance and it's data. Not the developer. We use GA in our dashboard but the apps themselves do not contain tracking. We aim to remove all tracking in the future. GA only collects web pages visits (anonymously).

I would suggest you avoid redefining what self-hosting means. ;)

Are there any technical limitations to prevent Deta (or someone who compromises Deta) from accessing a user's data?

With regards to different apps installed within a user's personal cloud, is there any isolation that ensures a compromise with one app can't compromise data in other apps the user installs?

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by atoav »

riffic wrote: post #32
chrismorgan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, I wouldn’t call it self-hosted if you can’t actually… self-host it. Someone else’s server isn’t mine.

come on, let's be a bit more inclusive about the term "self-hosting". For instance, I run a few apps in Linode. I manage the virtual servers, and consider myself to be a self-hoster of these webapps (Nextcloud, Drupal, PixelFed, et cetera) These aren't necessarily my servers but at some level, they are.

If you can install it on any recent Linux machine it is self-hostable. If you can't it is not.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by abdelhai »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #37
riffic wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from the looks of it, I assume Deta is some sort of PaaS, and aims to be a hybrid between Heroku and Glitch. It's an interesting space to be in, but the product's maturity leaves a lot to be desired. If you have concerns you should probably just be using Heroku or your own homegrown solution in IaaS/Bare Metal.

Well, the interesting thing is the developer experience seems to be very much like Sandstorm.io: "Publishing on Space allowed me to act like I was building this app for one person; I didn't have to worry about authentication" But it doesn't seem to provide any real description of technical justifications to claim Deta provides "privacy".

We give every app instance it's own server (VM) and database. It is completely isolated from all other instances of the same app. The developer has no access to your app instances or their data. Take a look at our sister product for the technical details "Deta Cloud" (deta.sh)

We don't have much information on Space as we're still in the alpha stage.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by DerekBickerton »

I use Pinboard for a cloud-based solution to bookmarking, and I export my Pinboard bookmark collection to an on-premises local PC location every 4 months or so, in-case Pinboard's servers are somehow destroyed (which is unlikely, but still possible).

All my browser bookmarks accumulate to staggering volumes after each year, and then I simply prune the cruft, or low-quality bookmarks and curate a list of all the best ones, all using Firefox's bookmark library, which is an underestimated tool and enormously useful for organizing bookmarks.

I typically use Firefox's bookmarks export feature that generates a HTML file that I can then browse at my leisure at any time and create a sort of 'master list' of bookmarks that I can then backup in Pinboard, or other cloud services to refer back to at any time.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by larrywright »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #30
larrywright wrote: post #27

Neat product! I wanted to point out a couple of typos on the landing page: “Subscribe directly to another users WebCrate instace“ “Stays running even if the we disappear.” You might want to use a tool like Grammarly to help tighten up the marketing copy (or just pay a copywriter - you can probably even find someone at your university to do it for cheap). Not a criticism, just a suggestion.

I would strongly discourage use of Grammarly: It's essentially a keylogger which uploads everything you type to their cloud service, and there is really no guarantee of privacy or ability to delete that data.

I have the same concerns (and don’t use it for private writing) but I figured for public web copy it’s not a huge deal. Also, you can (or at least could) install their desktop app which would require you to do writing in it or copy/paste it in to get their suggestions. That way only the content you want to send to them goes, rather than everything.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by betahuhn »

larrywright wrote: post #46
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would strongly discourage use of Grammarly: It's essentially a keylogger which uploads everything you type to their cloud service, and there is really no guarantee of privacy or ability to delete that data.

I have the same concerns (and don’t use it for private writing) but I figured for public web copy it’s not a huge deal. Also, you can (or at least could) install their desktop app which would require you to do writing in it or copy/paste it in to get their suggestions. That way only the content you want to send to them goes, rather than everything.

You are right, for text that will be public it isn't too bad.

Good tip with the Desktop app, but that doesn't seem like an ideal solution either.

Keeping my fingers away from Grammerly all together sounds like the best option IMO!

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by selftemp »

As someone with over 2000+ bookmarks organized under 30+ folders on Google bookmarks, I've been looking for a self-hosted bookmarking tool with a nice UI that can run on my home server and is easily available across all platforms and devices for a while.

This looks like a great start but I wouldn't call it self-hosted though, I'm more than happy to pay a nominal one time fee for a docker deployable image version of this.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by jrm4 »

betahuhn wrote: post #11
looperhacks wrote: post #10

Is there any supported way to run it on a private server?

Not out of the box no. You could fork and modify it, but that would take a lot of work. Can't recommend Deta Space enough though, it is kind of like self-hosting it without managing an actual server!

Nothing personal, but we're getting entirely too fast and loose with definitions here.

Calling this "self-hosted" is flat out false. Cut it out.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by Saris »

betahuhn wrote: post #11
looperhacks wrote: post #10

Is there any supported way to run it on a private server?

Not out of the box no. You could fork and modify it, but that would take a lot of work. Can't recommend Deta Space enough though, it is kind of like self-hosting it without managing an actual server!

It's not at all like self hosting it, sounds like it's just running on some servers located somewhere, and is completely unknown to the user.

I'm also surprised it's that difficult to convert to self hosting, it makes me think that detaspace has a very convoluted system for running things.

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