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Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by betahuhn »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #30
larrywright wrote: post #27

Neat product! I wanted to point out a couple of typos on the landing page: “Subscribe directly to another users WebCrate instace“ “Stays running even if the we disappear.” You might want to use a tool like Grammarly to help tighten up the marketing copy (or just pay a copywriter - you can probably even find someone at your university to do it for cheap). Not a criticism, just a suggestion.

I would strongly discourage use of Grammarly: It's essentially a keylogger which uploads everything you type to their cloud service, and there is really no guarantee of privacy or ability to delete that data.

Good to know, thanks! I'm currently using Microsoft's Editor extension.

Do you have any good alternatives?

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by riffic »

chrismorgan wrote: post #13
betahuhn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not out of the box no. You could fork and modify it, but that would take a lot of work. Can't recommend Deta Space enough though, it is kind of like self-hosting it without managing an actual server!

See, I wouldn’t call it self-hosted if you can’t actually… self-host it. Someone else’s server isn’t mine.

come on, let's be a bit more inclusive about the term "self-hosting".

For instance, I run a few apps in Linode. I manage the virtual servers, and consider myself to be a self-hoster of these webapps (Nextcloud, Drupal, PixelFed, et cetera)

These aren't necessarily my servers but at some level, they are.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by betahuhn »

hk1337 wrote: post #26

Can this import .webloc and .url files? If there's something I want to keep, I will normally just drag the url over to my desktop when then saves it as one of those files. I don't have a toolbar showing in my browser and trying to hunt for the link or button to save it is more work than just dragging the url to the desktop.

Not at moment no. You can only add links via the browser extensions and the dashboard.

The extension supports an omnibox though so you can just type "wc" in your address bar, press tab and everything after that will be added as a URL to your WebCrate instance.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by riffic »

fouc wrote: post #3

Webcrate is a great name, however the "crate" term strongly implies archival in this context to me. So as a user, I would actually assume that it takes an archive/snapshot of every website that I bookmark. The website doesn't seem to indicate it can do this?

lol, this wouldn't be an HN thread without people bikeshedding over an app's name, would it?

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by riffic »

betahuhn wrote: post #28
larrywright wrote: post #27

Neat product! I wanted to point out a couple of typos on the landing page: “Subscribe directly to another users WebCrate instace“ “Stays running even if the we disappear.” You might want to use a tool like Grammarly to help tighten up the marketing copy (or just pay a copywriter - you can probably even find someone at your university to do it for cheap). Not a criticism, just a suggestion.

Whoops! Thanks so much for pointing them out! Thought I fixed all the typos, but some always get through! Grammarly might be a good solution, thanks :D

There's also a couple typos here:

> Descentralized

> Subscribe directly to another users WebCrate instace

btw, how have you implemented interoperability?

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by riffic »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #29

Deta Space appears to be very lacking in the product details department. I see a comment saying you can't self-host it, so it has to be on Deta's cloud, or can you even bring your own cloud provider? Is there any technical/security guarantee's to Deta's privacy claims? For one, a casual reading of their privacy page suggests they integrate a half dozen analytics (aka monitoring) tools including Google Analytics.

from the looks of it, I assume Deta is some sort of PaaS, and aims to be a hybrid between Heroku and Glitch. It's an interesting space to be in, but the product's maturity leaves a lot to be desired.

If you have concerns you should probably just be using Heroku or your own homegrown solution in IaaS/Bare Metal.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

riffic wrote: post #36
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #29

Deta Space appears to be very lacking in the product details department. I see a comment saying you can't self-host it, so it has to be on Deta's cloud, or can you even bring your own cloud provider? Is there any technical/security guarantee's to Deta's privacy claims? For one, a casual reading of their privacy page suggests they integrate a half dozen analytics (aka monitoring) tools including Google Analytics.

from the looks of it, I assume Deta is some sort of PaaS, and aims to be a hybrid between Heroku and Glitch. It's an interesting space to be in, but the product's maturity leaves a lot to be desired. If you have concerns you should probably just be using Heroku or your own homegrown solution in IaaS/Bare Metal.

Well, the interesting thing is the developer experience seems to be very much like Sandstorm.io: "Publishing on Space allowed me to act like I was building this app for one person; I didn't have to worry about authentication"

But it doesn't seem to provide any real description of technical justifications to claim Deta provides "privacy".

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

riffic wrote: post #32
chrismorgan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, I wouldn’t call it self-hosted if you can’t actually… self-host it. Someone else’s server isn’t mine.

come on, let's be a bit more inclusive about the term "self-hosting". For instance, I run a few apps in Linode. I manage the virtual servers, and consider myself to be a self-hoster of these webapps (Nextcloud, Drupal, PixelFed, et cetera) These aren't necessarily my servers but at some level, they are.

I would say your setup appears drastically more yours than Deta, however, which appears to only host apps on their own infrastructure. The software you're using is installed where you chose to put it, and can be installed in your home if you choose.

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by abdelhai »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #29

Deta Space appears to be very lacking in the product details department. I see a comment saying you can't self-host it, so it has to be on Deta's cloud, or can you even bring your own cloud provider? Is there any technical/security guarantee's to Deta's privacy claims? For one, a casual reading of their privacy page suggests they integrate a half dozen analytics (aka monitoring) tools including Google Analytics.

Hi, CEO of Deta here. On Deta Space, self-hosting means that once the app is installed in your own personal cloud, you have full ownership of the instance and it's data. Not the developer.

We use GA in our dashboard but the apps themselves do not contain tracking. We aim to remove all tracking in the future. GA only collects web pages visits (anonymously).

Re: Show HN: WebCrate – an open-source social bookmarking tool

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Post by betahuhn »

riffic wrote: post #35
betahuhn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoops! Thanks so much for pointing them out! Thought I fixed all the typos, but some always get through! Grammarly might be a good solution, thanks :D

There's also a couple typos here: > Descentralized > Subscribe directly to another users WebCrate instace btw, how have you implemented interoperability?

Thanks, fixed!

Between WebCrate instances? Thanks to Deta Space each instance has its own domain so it is reachable directly without a gateway or central server. The instance then exposes a public API which another instance and the client can access to get the required data.

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