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Post by drakythe »

rootsudo wrote: post #36

My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

I don't think it is just the One Click Solution they want (though I don't deny that is probably very attractive). I'm pretty sure we would see more vanity URLs and one-off sites if payment processors weren't so strict when it comes to selling adult content/services. Spinning up a CMS website of your own, even with commerce/membership functionality, isn't difficult. But the payment processors are the unspoken guardians of internet commerce, and without VC level backing good luck getting them to touch something like adult content.

I think this is a missing piece of OFs popularity and usefulness to creators. Not only is it a centralized and (by now) well known site for this kind of content. OF deals with the payment processors, the charge backs, and the disputes. It is relatively seamless for the content creators in that regard.

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Post by KoftaBob »

traveler01 wrote: post #66

As a Gen-Z also recently graduated (less than 5 years), I can assure you, the fact these platforms are so big is because being graduated isn't worth anything these days. You are lucky or you are not.

I mean luck is always a factor, but let's be real, the major/career path someone chooses to study in college is a much bigger determinant of your prospects after graduation.

I still can't understand how people can willingly choose any number of majors/careers that are very well known to have a weak job market and salary range, and then act surprised when it's tough after graduating.

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Post by pjbeam »

quaffapint wrote: post #181
lotsofpulp wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bachelors in math or physics from a decent school should indicate that you have the capacity to learn difficult concepts, work with data, and you should have some experience with programming.

I would agree with this. A large portion of tech people I work with are not CS grads. I myself have a math degree. You do need to show that you can program and know your stuff, but you can still do that with personal/side projects/etc. Once you get your first job, then you're good to go and most won't care about your degree. I think now it's more a challenge of getting junior level jobs across the board.

Same here, math undergrad; not terribly difficult to start my career with and is now an advantage I think, albeit a small one.

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Post by polote »

caractacus wrote: post #466
polote wrote: post #443

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The success of OF is more a question of demand than offer honestly. During the lockdowns they were a lot of guys with money to spend but could not spend it on social activities, so a lot of it went on internet websites. But there is also a more long term trend of people having less and less sex and more and more porno consumption. But that can't go forever, at one point if all girls in the world are on sex workers th…

A long-term trend of less sex and more porno? Could you show some stats on this? I only question that line because I can't even deal with the rest of your post.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

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Post by brundolf »

entropicdrifter wrote: post #436
fnord77 wrote: post #414

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there'd probably be a netflix for ROMs if there were enough demand (I imagine the copyright holders would get onboard if the demand and $$ was there)

The issue is that the VG industry is pretty far behind in this respect, not that there's a lack of demand. Just look at how the NES/SNES classic consoles sold out in the blink of an eye and there were mass shortages. The demand is there, it's just a question of having a convenient enough package

I think Nintendo in particular revels in the scarcity. They value their IP above all else, and they know that's what their customers value, and they want to squeeze it for every last drop of fan loyalty they can. See the artificially limited-time (digital!) release of "Mario 3D All-Stars": https://www.nintendo.com/products/detail/super-mario-3d-all-...

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Post by dlp211 »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #438
dlp211 wrote: post #353

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Yes, because it's impossible to ever change careers or apply your work ethic to gaining new skills. The idea that you don't have marketable skills having been in the military is also the biggest piece of bunk I've ever heard and you really have no idea what you are talking about. -former infantryman

When you leave the military with an infantry MOS and without leadership experience (which is the situation most people who quit after 4yr are in) all you have is a proven ability to work hard and put up with bullshit. You're on roughly equal ground with someone who's been a warehouse laborer or janitor for an equivalent period of time and on lower ground than someone who at least has industry adjacent experience. Bei…

If you do a 4 year stint in the infantry and don't come away with some sort of leadership experience, the problem isn't your lack of experience, it's you didn't take advantage of the opportunities presented to you.

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Post by lovegoblin »

drakythe wrote: post #471
rootsudo wrote: post #36

My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

I don't think it is just the One Click Solution they want (though I don't deny that is probably very attractive). I'm pretty sure we would see more vanity URLs and one-off sites if payment processors weren't so strict when it comes to selling adult content/services. Spinning up a CMS website of your own, even with commerce/membership functionality, isn't difficult. But the payment processors are the unspoken guardian…

> But the payment processors are the unspoken guardians of internet commerce, and without VC level backing good luck getting them to touch something like adult content.

You're completely correct here. The only other real option in this space is CCBill - and they:

a) only do payments - not hosting and everything that OF does

b) still take a ~18-20% cut, in addition to annual flat fees

c) are really fucking unbelievably terrible

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Post by danans »

gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #141
GavinMcG wrote: post #124

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It's how the world has always worked, which is why it's a phrase in the first place.

It’s fucked up is what it is. Right now my coworkers like me, my manager gave me a glowing review, the company is willing to buy me certs and I have been assigned to the subteam responsible for our core functionality. 8 months ago I was self-harming and ready to off myself because of endlessly firing applications into the void and reaching the end of my finances. I can clearly perform under the stress of work, school…

> 8 months ago I was self-harming and ready to off myself because of endlessly firing applications into the void and reaching the end of my finances

I am sorry you experienced this. Many of us have experienced similar things in our careers. When I did, I had my brother's couch I could crash on while I figured things out, and to be honest, parents who could help me with rent when my post dotcom-bust job paid peanuts.

To the extent that your difficulties were exacerbated by an insufficient social safety net is perhaps the greatest indictment of our society. Incentive structures matter, and structures that put people at the brink between achievement and self harm do a lot of damage to our human capital.

Not everyone will be pushed to the point of self-harm, but the proximity between destitution and achievement is too close, especially for those without family and community safety nets.

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Post by marc_io »

lovegoblin wrote: post #399
marc_io wrote: post #357

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It's not expensive, difficult or very time consuming to have a static website connected to a email marketing or newsletter service in order to communicate directly to people and improve the services offered. Basic marketing strategy. There's no need to run the entire business on their own.

> It's not expensive It absolutely is, because you still need to get paid, and unfortunately 18-20% fees are completely normal for adult-content payment processing. And OF clearly does a lot more than just payment processing.

Each one of those things can be done for free until a certain point (e-mail marketing) or completely free (static sites/hosting). Feel free to ping me if you need concrete examples of services that can do that – and there are many.

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Post by rayiner »

cpach wrote: post #147
rayiner wrote: post #128

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It’s troubling indeed. Out of curiosity, what kind of policy reform would you like to see in the US in order to cope with this dilemma?

Our subsidizing and marketing college for everyone is the root problem, and it’s calling all sorts of knock-on effects. This not only leaves people in debt and causes young people to put off productive life, but have created a surplus of people with useless degrees that are going in and remaking various aspects of life and politics into an academic mold according to academic theories that have little real-world value.

If we’re not willing to end massive subsidies for higher education (and we’re not) we should use the government’s massive leverage (by virtue of that flow of dollars) to impose tight enrollment caps on various degrees, and shut down universities that aren’t creating economic value. We should also create alternative credentialing systems that cut universities out of the picture, because degrees are often just used as a proxy for intelligence and work ethic.

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