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Post by finalfire »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #94
rootsudo wrote: post #36

My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

There is a good chance that any given reddit post in the widely viewed subreddits is posted in order to get people to look at the user’s profile or other posts and follow it back to their only fans page.

That's pretty right. In particular, there is a (huge) subreddit devoted to selfies where a high number of users that post in there have a OF link present in their biography.

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Post by staticassertion »

rowland66 wrote: post #243
staticassertion wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't pay investments back. They are a purchase of shares. The exchange is made and you're done. > How is possibly better than organic growth at this point where they are probably close to market saturation (in the sense that further exponential growth is implausible)? Moving into new markets, expanding the scope of the existing market, etc. Is OnlyFans that different from Youtube, or Patreon? Is it that differen…

> You don't pay investments back. They are a purchase of shares. The exchange is made and you're done. This is a common misunderstanding that equity funding is free. For the owner of a business, taking outside investment and issuing share in return is diluting the original owners stake in the business. If effect, you are paying for these investments forever because you are giving up some portion of the businesses fut…

I'm a CEO, I'm pretty familiar with the costs. I didn't say it was free, I very clearly said the opposite - that it is a purchase.

The parent was very clearly (and admittedly, elsewhere) thinking of investments as a literal loan.

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Post by floatingatoll »

convery wrote: post #143
ckdarby wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all the PR a major bank that deals with high risk would have stepped in. There is too much volume and processing to turn a blind eye from this deal. It should be noted that the cams see a lot lower chargebacks than subscriptions because of the shady tactics a lot of subscription adult sites use. Example would be not noticing a "$1 trial" addon being offered that recurs at like $44.95/month. The rest of the charg…

Indeed, but it's odd that creditcard companies are so hard on merchants. Surely they could just offer some program where they hold payments in escrow until the transaction is final and just subtract chargebacks from the escrow account as necessary.

Some people who buy porn will lie to other people in their life and open chargebacks if they’re found out, and dealing with those people is a nightmare because they’re lying and they get loud and angry and litigious to try to sell the lie so they don’t lose social standing and/or in-person sex.

Something like Apple Pay, that is rooted in a biometric/pin-verified payment (low fraud) rather than “enter your card number manually” (high fraud) would be a godsend for the industry, since it would detect the lie in the fraudulent chargebacks as described above.

Human beings in many world cultures are such a huge pain when it comes admitting and openly talking about paying for sex and sex-tangential things, that I can understand and grudgingly concede that higher processing fees are necessary. I do not know if they need to be 25%, but they do definitely need to be higher than for other industries.

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Post by kbenson »

belter wrote: post #416

These companies, most seem to admire here, just because they make a lot of money, are going from bad to worst. First.... - They made money on stealing your privacy. - Then they made money on taking your rest and piece of mind inviting your neighbors to make money from renting their mattresses. - Then they made money from making you do "gig's" with zero hours contract style type of work...But making you believe you ar…

> - Now they are making money by inviting you to sell your soul and exhibit yourself naked for money.

Actually, they were trying to stop the naked part, and that's what people were up in arms about.

And given it was the people that were upset, not the company because it couldn't take advantage of the people in this way, I'm not sure how that works with your premise.

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Post by foolinaround »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #163
Retric wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think taxes on regular people have dropped, we simply pretend social Security, Medicare, State and local, + fees don’t count as taxes. Which means we can “lower” federal taxes by providing less federal support to state projects.

Look at the historical level of public college education funding and correlate to student loan debt. https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/state-hig... > Deep state cuts in funding for higher education over the last decade have contributed to rapid, significant tuition increases and pushed more of the costs of college to students, making it harder for them to enroll and graduate. These cuts also have wor…

a lot of it can be attributed to spending in non-academics - like administration, sports, etc. these need to be reduced.

Similar to ROTC programs for Army in conjunction with local colleges, why not special sports programs administered seperately but just co-located with regular colleges that go along with the scheduling, etc?

Administrative expenses need to be chopped from the outside, there is no way the current folks are going to reduce that.

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Post by pelasaco »

yitchelle wrote: post #364
pelasaco wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany, all Craftsmen are just laughing. Tiler, Carpenter, electrician, etc.. all of them have enough to do, can choose their clients and their wages. I understand that HN always will tend to talk about CS, but Craftsmen are doing their 40k/year, easily. The Salary potential is just increasing.

Comparing jobs solely based on income is a nonsense comparison. The two class of jobs are so different. Scalability, physicality, career path, longevity etc all comes into picture. The discussion has been going around in cycles for many years.

What I wanted to point was that talking about "employability", people don't have to go to a university to get a degree and then try to find a job. There are other great ways to make enough money to don't have to end on OnlyFans.

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Post by belter »

kbenson wrote: post #424
belter wrote: post #416

These companies, most seem to admire here, just because they make a lot of money, are going from bad to worst. First.... - They made money on stealing your privacy. - Then they made money on taking your rest and piece of mind inviting your neighbors to make money from renting their mattresses. - Then they made money from making you do "gig's" with zero hours contract style type of work...But making you believe you ar…

> - Now they are making money by inviting you to sell your soul and exhibit yourself naked for money. Actually, they were trying to stop the naked part, and that's what people were up in arms about. And given it was the people that were upset, not the company because it couldn't take advantage of the people in this way, I'm not sure how that works with your premise.

They said they were only stopping because of the banks. There is also something very strange going on there, because other porn sites were able to clean their act by implementing regulations demanded by the payment providers, but not OnlyFans. I feel we still have to hear the full story on this.

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Post by lawn »

da_chicken wrote: post #405
rootsudo wrote: post #36

My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

> People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. Once they know it's possible, people want a one click solution for anything. The subject being taboo has nothing to do with it. This is one reason why Youtube, Spotify, Steam and Netflix did such a good job combatting piracy for music, video games, and movies, while ROM sites are still a ubiquitous problem for 2…

And also why piracy is increasing again as the movie/TV series space is becoming so fragmented.

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Post by rusk »

da_chicken wrote: post #405
rootsudo wrote: post #36

My biggest shock was how much "PR" was generated on Reddit, and how many sexworkers really do use the platform. I knew it was a thing, I knew of the memes, but to see both sides in arms over a company vs branding, creating their own website and content - and vanity domain as well. People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. And the memes, I think they're pr…

> People really do just want a one click solution for creating adult content, and consuming adult content. Once they know it's possible, people want a one click solution for anything. The subject being taboo has nothing to do with it. This is one reason why Youtube, Spotify, Steam and Netflix did such a good job combatting piracy for music, video games, and movies, while ROM sites are still a ubiquitous problem for 2…

These files are so simple to distribute - there’s no engineering challenge and it’s very hard to justify building a moat. That’s one thing the notables you list did, beyond merely gatekeeping content.
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