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S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by rntksi »

saganus wrote: post #25
rntksi wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does HW mean here? Handheld Wearable? Would that mean letting e.g. Sony PS5 devices allow homebrew markets to be used legally on their consoles? That would be awesome for the consumers.

'Hardware' probably

Ah. Agreed. Then let's solve the problem of printers altogether. Why let them enforce the use of only certain ink refills? Surely that also is monopolistic behaviour?

In markets in SE Asia, I've seen people still use older Canon models because it allows them to fill their ink cartridges and beat the cost of having to buy official ink cartridges. Those printer still work well afterwards. A business I once consulted for had a 10 years old printer that still was chugging on happily with cheap ink fills.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by nvrspyx »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #30
meibo wrote: post #24

Interesting to note here is that SK has a healthy local "online services" industry. They have their own Google equivalents, like Naver, that have comparable(and sometimes better because optimized to SK) services and don't have that much of an incentive to keep Google "happy".

Could you list examples of the local equivalents that are in common use? I know of Naver maps https://m.map.naver.com

I don't really have a list, but in addition to maps, Naver also has search, email, calendar, cloud storage, etc.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by neom »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #30
meibo wrote: post #24

Interesting to note here is that SK has a healthy local "online services" industry. They have their own Google equivalents, like Naver, that have comparable(and sometimes better because optimized to SK) services and don't have that much of an incentive to keep Google "happy".

Could you list examples of the local equivalents that are in common use? I know of Naver maps https://m.map.naver.com

Naver (search), Kakao(message+maps+transit), Daum(search/blogs etc), Coupang(online ordering), Shuttle Food Delivery / Yogiyo (uber eats) - few examples.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by misnome »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #4
jefftk wrote: post #3

Based on South Korean parliament records, the amendment bans app store operators with dominant market positions from forcing payment systems on content providers and "inappropriately" delaying the review of, or deleting, mobile contents from app markets. It also allows the South Korean government to require an app market operator to "prevent damage to users and protect the rights and interests of users", probe app ma…

It's clear the days of this oligopoly operating unchallanged are numbered. I dont know a single person outside of the SV bubble who is buying 'mah free market!' argument so prevalent here.

> I dont know a single person outside of the SV bubble who is buying 'mah free market!' argument so prevalent here.

Most of the arguments I've seen here, that you are probably classifying under this aspersion, are probably some variant on:

- This doesn't look illegal under current (US) laws

- New laws to restrict this are hard to write constitutionally (in the US)

- If this happens a lot of the good parts of the ecosystem get thrown out also (arguments through security, fraud)

Whereas an awful lot of the other side looks like "This is unfair so must be illegal!" (30% arguments, very narrow definitions of the word "monopoly" that favour the arguer). Very few seem to actually argue that anything Apple/Google have done are illegal under current laws. I don't think the segment you are attacking for pure "It is free market therefore good" ideology exists.

It'll be interesting to see what happens if/when other countries, who aren't tied by the same conditions, start restricting this stuff.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by meibo »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #30
meibo wrote: post #24

Interesting to note here is that SK has a healthy local "online services" industry. They have their own Google equivalents, like Naver, that have comparable(and sometimes better because optimized to SK) services and don't have that much of an incentive to keep Google "happy".

Could you list examples of the local equivalents that are in common use? I know of Naver maps https://m.map.naver.com

Naver runs a wide variety of services you'd expect, like payments, an online translator, a Yahoo Answers equivalent, messaging(LINE, which is ubiquitous not just in SK), a free blog offering, a search engine and a web browser.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naver_Corporation#Products_a...

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by rmac »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #30
meibo wrote: post #24

Interesting to note here is that SK has a healthy local "online services" industry. They have their own Google equivalents, like Naver, that have comparable(and sometimes better because optimized to SK) services and don't have that much of an incentive to keep Google "happy".

Could you list examples of the local equivalents that are in common use? I know of Naver maps https://m.map.naver.com

Kakao: Wechat/Uber

Ahnlab: Symantec/Norton

Hancom: Microsoft Office

Snow: Snapchat

Melon: Spotify

Cyworld: Myspace

Afreeka: Twitch

Toss: Venmo

NCSoft: Blizzard

Coupang: Amazon

Carrot: Ebay

Daum: Google/Medium

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by mc32 »

It seems the time has arrived for each country where international services have a market presence to have regulators who regulate how they operate in country.

It makes little sense that US or Chinese laws or customs should be applied world-wide.

Countries should exercise their own rights and not cede them to corporations who are voracious for profit and occasionally dabble in cultural imperialism and quite frequently detract vast amounts of personal data from citizens to the benefit of the companies.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by Clewza313 »

mc32 wrote: post #37

It seems the time has arrived for each country where international services have a market presence to have regulators who regulate how they operate in country. It makes little sense that US or Chinese laws or customs should be applied world-wide. Countries should exercise their own rights and not cede them to corporations who are voracious for profit and occasionally dabble in cultural imperialism and quite frequentl…

South Korea has been regulating its Internet with an iron fist for a long time, with dubious results. For many years, IE was de facto the only browser because the only authorized sign-in method for govt services relied on an ActiveX plugin, and to this date the functionality of eg Google Maps in Korea is crippled because laws regulating maps force all map data and associated services to be in Korea.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

mc32 wrote: post #37

It seems the time has arrived for each country where international services have a market presence to have regulators who regulate how they operate in country. It makes little sense that US or Chinese laws or customs should be applied world-wide. Countries should exercise their own rights and not cede them to corporations who are voracious for profit and occasionally dabble in cultural imperialism and quite frequentl…

This is technically how it has always been, but tech companies try to employ tricks to avoid it, like claiming it's too hard to comply with individual national or state laws. Another exciting prospect for harmful companies is to enshrine the laws they want in place as a treaty that countries can't easily legislate around: That's what the Trans-Pacific Partnership was about. When you see a massive trade treaty, you'll find an insane amount of shadow lobbying investment in everyone getting their preferred laws enforced on other countries, which also often includes prohibitions on countries passing laws that do certain things.

Re: S.Korea parliament committee votes to curb Google, Apple commission dominance

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Post by lunarboy »

meibo wrote: post #24

Interesting to note here is that SK has a healthy local "online services" industry. They have their own Google equivalents, like Naver, that have comparable(and sometimes better because optimized to SK) services and don't have that much of an incentive to keep Google "happy".

Local online services yes, but healthy I think is debatable. Kakao is quickly spreading its influence beyond just information technology. Messenger, search, payments, banking, blogging, maps, taxi, webtoon, celebrity management, music, character goods, games, golf, etc.
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