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Re: Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African warehouse

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Post by vincentmarle »

pessimizer wrote: post #325
arduinomancer wrote: post #287

This thread feels very...Hacker News Bubble? Why is everyone so confused that smart TVs are popular? Being able to just turn on your TV and open Netflix without messing around with inputs/other devices is a huge benefit for non-technological people. And it probably costs <$50 for the manufacturer to include whatever chip is running linux in the TV, its a no-brainer.

> Why is everyone so confused that smart TVs are popular? Also the real reason that they're popular: there are no non-smart TVs available.

I can recommend Sceptre if you want a decent dumb TV.

Re: Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African warehouse

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Post by hakube »

arduinomancer wrote: post #287

This thread feels very...Hacker News Bubble? Why is everyone so confused that smart TVs are popular? Being able to just turn on your TV and open Netflix without messing around with inputs/other devices is a huge benefit for non-technological people. And it probably costs <$50 for the manufacturer to include whatever chip is running linux in the TV, its a no-brainer.

It's running Android for the most part. Samsung is running Tizen I think

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Post by Allower »

arduinomancer wrote: post #287

This thread feels very...Hacker News Bubble? Why is everyone so confused that smart TVs are popular? Being able to just turn on your TV and open Netflix without messing around with inputs/other devices is a huge benefit for non-technological people. And it probably costs <$50 for the manufacturer to include whatever chip is running linux in the TV, its a no-brainer.

>No-brainer

As in only a moron would buy one. Yup agreed, the real pandemic destroying humanity is stupidity.

Re: Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African warehouse

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Post by mattnewton »

fsckboy wrote: post #375
mattnewton wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are almost no tv manufacturers offering consumer TVs without the ability to connect to the internet to collect metrics, display ads, and run “apps” like Netflix. I don’t doubt it’s because the upsell is profitable and regular consumers would choose the TV with smart features over a similarly priced TV without, but it’s also possible no one has decided to compete on the “our TV is $40 cheaper, comes with a rebat…

isn't it going to be "our TV costs $40 more, but..."?

You’re probably right, the ad space and metrics might be worth the component cost, r&d and then some. Slap some apps on it to justify it to the consumer and sell it cheaper.

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Post by vincentpants »

alacritas0 wrote: post #458
lp0_on_fire wrote: post #437

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Color TVs superseded black and white because it was objectively an improvement for the customer. There wasn't any benefit to the manufacturer besides selling a new unit. the "Smart" TVs of today are riddled with spyware and telemetry that provides a second revenue stream to the manufacture since 95% of the population is too lazy or uninformed or doesn't have the time to turn it off. Yes, there benefits to the consume…

The average customer doesn't even know what spyware or telemetry is. I'd even argue that broadcast TV is dying making some form of video streaming service necessary which the smart TV accomplishes in a nice form factor.

… while also making a product out of the user through data collection.

Re: Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African warehouse

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Post by atok1 »

lmilcin wrote: post #455

I worked for Samsung. Let's just say, I am not letting any "smart" TVs in my home. Given choice of "smart" TV vs no TV, I choose no TV. Currently I have an old 30" monitor filling the function of the TV. I would love to have nice shiny screen, but the price is just too high.

Insight into how bad the TV is spying on us?

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Post by rrrhys »

p2t2p wrote: post #459
setr wrote: post #411

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Remember 3DTV’s? For like 5 years, all TV’s being sold had 3D support. Not because consumers wanted it — it was because the industry believed consumers would want it. Industries don’t turn on a dime.. Market forces don’t correct small issues in short timeframes — and smart TV’s are not problematic enough to meet their immediate demise (but sufficiently awful that they eventually will — alongside car infotainment syst…

> alongside car infotainment systems I don't know if market has corrected those or Apple did. I couldn't care less about my car's infotainment system as long as the screen is 7+ inches and capable of Apple CarPlay.

> capable of Apple CarPlay.

E.g. you care plenty.

Re: Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African warehouse

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Post by nmstoker »

savant_penguin wrote: post #381
throw03172019 wrote: post #368

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I disconnect from WiFi. It makes my “smart” tv a normal one that doesn’t serve my shitty ads, lag or turn on some random SamsungTV channel.

Just because you disconnected it from wifi does not mean they cannot connect it through lte without your knowledge

Maybe your comment was tongue in cheek but if the product did not reveal it contained a radio transmitter, this would undoubtedly be illegal in the US, EU & UK.

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Post by somethoughts »

nsxwolf wrote: post #311
arduinomancer wrote: post #287

This thread feels very...Hacker News Bubble? Why is everyone so confused that smart TVs are popular? Being able to just turn on your TV and open Netflix without messing around with inputs/other devices is a huge benefit for non-technological people. And it probably costs <$50 for the manufacturer to include whatever chip is running linux in the TV, its a no-brainer.

The software in the newer LG OLEDs is so good I haven't bothered hooking up any of my boxes to my new TVs. I'm sure in a few years the UI will start to feel sluggish and it will be time to plug something in, but for now its a great experience, far better than any smart TV I've used before.

Interesting side note - the LG SmartTV OS has a lineage from PalmOS (Apologies in advance if this is common knowledge).

webOS, also known as LG webOS and previously known as Open webOS, HP webOS and Palm webOS, is a Linux kernel-based multitasking operating system for smart devices such as smart TVs that has also been used as a mobile operating system. Initially developed by Palm, Inc. (which was acquired by Hewlett-Packard), HP made the platform open source, at which point it became Open webOS. The operating system was later sold to LG Electronics, and was made primarily a smart TV operating system for LG televisions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebOS#2013–present:_Acquired_b...

Re: Samsung remotely disables TVs looted from South African warehouse

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Post by andrewon »

lostlogin wrote: post #254
rangerelf wrote: post #143

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Never again will I buy anything Samsung. They have steadfastly refused to fix my fridge's ice maker even though they have admitted it's a design fault, and retailers will not take it back as faulty because the ice maker is not considered vital to the functioning of the refrigerator in general.

New Zealand has a bit of legislation called the Consumer Guarantees Act, and it specifies something to the effect of ‘the thing should have a lifespan commensurate with the price, free of defects or faults’. It’s really great - the downside is that we pay more for things than people overseas do. I vastly prefer that we have it.

" the downside is that we pay more for things than people overseas do"

Isn't that they just force you to buy extended warranty on everything?

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