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Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

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Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

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> 4,700 with iCloud user IDs and passwords How does this amount to only four felonies?! Our system is so abysmally bad at understanding crimes of scale, especially when they happen over the internet. If he burgled 4,700 houses, it would be a lot more than four felonies.

That's because it's a lot scarier to meet someone in your apartment when you don't expect them than having you photos leaked.

(With the latter, strictly speaking, being a subset of the former anyway)

Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

#112

“I’m remorseful… but I have a family” he says hoping this doesn’t “ruin” his life. Fuck this guy. He knew what he was doing. He should have all the consequences both those from the court and professionally: who’s going to hire him now? Maybe someone in infosec but likely not ever again in tech.

This should really be treated as theft on a massive scale. It's similar to if he broke in to 300 peoples houses. Probably even worse.

Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

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> Investigators soon discovered that a log-in to the victim’s iCloud account had come from an internet address at Chi’s house If the attacker was really not covering his tracks, perhaps Apple may have flagged hundreds of different iCloud account logins originating from the same location as something to look into?

That's not really a reliable/actionable signal overall - my previous employer had like 20,000 employees NATed behind a single IP.

> my previous employer had like 20,000 employees NATed behind a single IP.

If so, it’s incredibly unlikely that all 20k were online simultaneously. If they were, each person could only open ~3 TCP sockets to the internet (even if via a proxy if dealing with individual login sessions) at a time before you’ve run out of ports.

Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

#114
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Phishing is one of the most common entry points of cyberattacks. Even tech savvy people get tricked into clicking links or downloading attachments.

> Even tech savvy people get tricked into clicking links or downloading attachments. Like Jim Browning, the Youtuber famous for scamming scammers, who recently fell for a phishing scam himself and ended up deleting his Youtube account. ( https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/07/28/2023241/youtube-cha... )

This is one of those "play with fire long enough, and you'll get burned" situations.

Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

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> he impersonated Apple customer support staff in emails that tricked unsuspecting victims into providing him with their Apple IDs and passwords > He gained unauthorized access to photos and videos of at least 306 victims across the nation > Investigators soon discovered that a log-in to the victim’s iCloud account had come from an internet address at Chi’s house Not very sophisticated, but very effective, glad they…

I agree that better education around Internet security is needed, especially for basic phishing attacks like this. OTOH, I believe Apple could be doing more to deter and/or detect this type of broad access, especially with the lack of sophistication behind this scheme! I feel like even Netflix does a better job at alerting me to access from a new device, and they aren't storing any of my personal photos.

Yeah, Netflix is actually annoying with it - I was using my "ultra low security" password which is in... probably every public password dump around for years, got dozens of logins, just ignored them til someone finally tried to change it and I had to reset it.

Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

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I have been thinking about "nudes" (which I will use as a shorthand to describe digital images of a person sans clothing, almost always taken by that person) in terms of cultural evolution. A couple of years ago I mentioned, on HN, that I knew Jenni, of JenniCam, before the "cam," back when she was just experimenting with this new digital camera device. And then they became more and more available. For a brief time t…

I get the impression this trend has peaked. For a while, young people stopped going topless on the beach, for example, for fear of photos appearing online. In the last years, it's been making a comeback. I believe it's both a sense that there's so much out there, chances are rather low someone you know will come across any photo. And that it just doesn't matter. I am absolutely certain you wouldn't be able to hurt someone with sending their work colleagues a topless photo you found, but rather risk your own job if you're found.

Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

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post #63

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What word do you use when someone unrightfully gains possession of something that isn’t theirs? Btw a lot of words in English have multiple meanings, and transform meaning over time, which can be confusing sometimes. For example, in baseball you steal a base, which was being protected by the other team, but you don’t remove the base from the field and run off with it. I think steal works better than copy here, more a…

I think the reason "steal" can feel strange here is that we've spent the last 15 years arguing that copyright infringement is "not stealing" because the original creator has not been deprived of anything. The phrase "not stealing" is almost exclusively used in this context on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I think it’s context dependent, just like other uses of the word steal. With copyright infringement, internet communities have come to agreement that it is not stealing, so avoiding the use of the word in that context is important. In baseball it’s not, and neither with identity theft. With illegally obtained private photos, never intended to be shared or released to the world, is there a better word? It’s such a different scenario, the only similarity I see is both involve files on a computer.

Re: Man steals 620k photos from iCloud accounts from home without Apple noticing

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post #3

> he impersonated Apple customer support staff in emails that tricked unsuspecting victims into providing him with their Apple IDs and passwords > He gained unauthorized access to photos and videos of at least 306 victims across the nation > Investigators soon discovered that a log-in to the victim’s iCloud account had come from an internet address at Chi’s house Not very sophisticated, but very effective, glad they…

This is a failure of the software community, not the users. I don’t think it’s reasonable to ask users to detect a halfway decent phishing attempt.
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