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Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by alexitosrv »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #223
f0e4c2f7 wrote: post #67

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I almost hesitate to share these because I too found that Reddit's dark patterns were a large part of what helped me break that habit. I recently discovered teddit.net which is a frontend for reddit with all dark patterns removed. There is also an alternative front end for twitter called nitter.net that you can use the same way to avoid the app / login.

For reddit, IMO the simplest things you can do to improve the experience is to force the old reddit design (old.reddit.com) when on desktop, and use any app except the official app when on mobile.

Unfortunately, I think they are going to decommission that version eventually.

Something that irritated me, for instance, was how they decided to remove the account activity panel, making revisiting recent links waaay harder. That coupled with the fact that they also remove a link from the front page too quickly is also making me to use the site less. So much for the dark patterns, heh.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by dredmorbius »

miohtama wrote: post #72
wildpeaks wrote: post #64

On top of it, it's not just a matter of creating an account because they get blocked within two minutes until you also give them your phone number, despite the registration pretends it's not required (because once you signed up, it's easier to trick people into giving up yet more information than asking for it upfront).

Here is a research how much phone number verification decreases account fraud a.k.a. spam bots http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.co...

If reading content generates spam, You Have A Bigger Problem.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

silicon2401 wrote: post #94
AlwaysRock wrote: post #4

When Reddit started doing this it effectively broke my redditing habit. I know these things are annoying but for anyone who is trying to use social media less... Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram are almost unusable without their apps. They are basically useless if you dont sign in on the browser on your phone. It's great if you want to get off them.

Reddit is unusable without which app, the official one? Because I've been on reddit for a decade and never once used their app. It's either reddit is fun on android or the browser. Never had a problem. Even if you don't have an account, old.reddit.com and i.reddit.com (for mobile) bypass all the atrocious new UI changes

Slide is also a pretty good FOSS(?) Reddit client for Android. I don't use it anymore since I'm trying to get myself to use Reddit less and less but Slide was a pretty good experience for me.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by SECProto »

dredmorbius wrote: post #463
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #223

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For reddit, IMO the simplest things you can do to improve the experience is to force the old reddit design (old.reddit.com) when on desktop, and use any app except the official app when on mobile.

The problem with old.reddit.com (as opposed to teddit) is that numerous links on Reddit will redirect you to the New experience. Absent DNS hacks, you'll find yourself consistently frustrated by this. With Teddit, AFAIU the rewrites will keep you on Teddit rather than bouncing from old (or i) to www.reddit.com. Mind, Reddit shoud GDIAF. The growth hacking crap has also broken my own usage habit. I'll check in periodi…

> The problem with old.reddit.com (as opposed to teddit) is that numerous links on Reddit will redirect you to the New experience. Absent DNS hacks, you'll find yourself consistently frustrated by this.

I have found that keeping the "Use new Reddit as my default experience" box unchecked on reddit.com/prefs results in almost never being redirected to the "new" site. The only exception is when someone uploaded a gallery - you have click on the "comments" link to see the gallery photos in oldreddit style.

This solution works for me on both mobile browser and desktop browser.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

deadbunny wrote: post #100
StevePerkins wrote: post #77

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My Reddit habit has been all but replaced with private Slacks and Discords these days. Either hobby / interest groups, or an "alumni Slack" full of old work friends from a company I worked at a long time. I think that's the future, for geeks and nerds anyway. Small private forums, where you can actually have real discussions without getting drowned in memes and downvotes. For the masses, I think the cement is pretty…

> Slacks and Discords I find these terrible for any kind of information discovery. I hate that so many communities are using them as an alternative to a subreddit or focused forum. Hell most "modern" forum software is horrific as well.

I think that the advantage in using some kind of instant-message system like Discord/Slack is that you might end up getting a faster response, which is quite helpful when I'm feeling impatient and want my problem to be solved faster. On the other hand, the questions aren't as easily searchable and archived for future people to find.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by kubanczyk »

whoooooo123 wrote: post #462
ElFitz wrote: post #358

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The translation is inaccurate. It means safety in the same way as the salvation of the soul for Christians, but in a non-religious way, and applied to all of society. Yes, they were both quite grandiose in their wordings and full of themselves. Safety, as it is commonly used, would better be translated, in French, as "sûreté". "Salut" would be a much, much stronger word. Although I do see your point.

Well damn, that ruins one of my favourite points. But I'm still not quite sure what the French word "salut" means. Is there not a simple one-word English translation? What exactly is the remit implied by the name Comité de salut public ?

"Salut" in this context translates as "salvation" in the sense of "preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss".

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by nabakin »

bastard_op wrote: post #110

So can people please quit posting twitter feeds finally? Some of us still have never used or signed up with twitter, or feel the need to, and really don't want to. Bad enough they removed non-javascript access, since they are permablocked through noscript here, I simply close postings on HN that link there and curse them for bothering. Asking for a login atop that is just a 4x non-starter for "news" links. Yes, some…

I there's a better compromise for both parties. A website that you give a twitter link, it scrapes the content and rehosts without the login banner or bloat. You share this link instead of the original twitter link. Twitterers get to share the content they want and anyone can read without issue.

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Post by m-p-3 »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #218
sneak wrote: post #196

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It's worse: Twitter staff sold private user PII to the Saudi government (the one that assassinates journalists): https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/how-saud...

Remind me again, why did we leave IRC?

Completely different communication paradigm.

IRC is an instant-messaging platform, while Twitter is a microblogging platform that was available to anyone in the pre-smartphone era as it was initially tailored for SMS message length.

IRC requires a client (okay, you could use a web gateway), and you somewhat need to know what you're doing (not saying it's hard, but the average user might not even care about accessing IRC if it requires a minimum of effort), while Twitter could be used through a flip-phone or accessed simply through a web browser, which you can assume everyone have.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by Semiapies »

dredmorbius wrote: post #460
smhenderson wrote: post #322

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pub-sub distribute micro blogging service like how emails work It's called NNTP

Usenet died of its own inability to handle scaling issues, ranging from culture and posting conventions to various forms of abuse and criminality. https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3c3xyu/why_use... Attempting to resurrect Usenet at any scale simply won't work. Even with a lessons-learned set of improvements (Usenet II), it went nowhere.

The culture issue alone is a killer.

People say they want the old early-90s internet, but that internet only worked that way because almost nobody outside of universities was on it and nothing on it actually mattered to anybody.

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