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Post by throw6746 »

Spivak wrote: post #143
throw6746 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I mean what do you want them to actually do instead? Nothing. Hire more moderators maybe. it also looks dishonest to frame it this way when twitter asks these pii for "spam protection" and yet still can't ban obvious Fiverr-like spam accounts > Like what other things can we ask for that actually work and aren’t more invasive? Nothing, somehow plenty of websites do fine without even asking for email, including this o…

Obvious to a human manually looking at the account isn't obvious to a computer system that has to pick them out a huge dataset. You will never be able to ban Fiverr type accounts because for the same reason residential VPNs work well. You're paying someone who has a clean record and will send all the right signals. HN works because it's niche. It can be moderated by a handful of people. Once you cross the "can't be m…

> someone who has a clean record

It doesn't follow to me, those people open thousands of account for those scams, how are they clean? They are not sophisticated, they don't even use them like real humans and it's literally for $5!

> "can't be moderated by humans" threshold

Is it a threshold or simply a cost center that starts to be big and needs to be slashed in order to please shareholders?

To me it's perfectly possible to be big and have moderators, you just can't have it cheaply.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by tifadg1 »

mortenjorck wrote: post #127
Theizestooke wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using old.reddit.com, and it's ok. Shame if they would turn that off though.

I exclusively use new Reddit. The increased friction around every single interaction is great for limiting the amount of time I spend there: it raises the bar for deciding to actually view a discussion, and the incomprehensible nesting-collapse algorithm keeps me from going down rabbit holes in threads unless it's something that genuinely interests me. It's similar to my YouTube usage. All the pre-roll ads ensure I o…

Actually that's a great idea - actively feeling pain every time you interact - whats more effective limiting consumption than that.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by ballenf »

CydeWeys wrote: post #152
throw6746 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I mean what do you want them to actually do instead? Nothing. Hire more moderators maybe. it also looks dishonest to frame it this way when twitter asks these pii for "spam protection" and yet still can't ban obvious Fiverr-like spam accounts > Like what other things can we ask for that actually work and aren’t more invasive? Nothing, somehow plenty of websites do fine without even asking for email, including this o…

They've already rejected doing nothing, as it doesn't work. I want Tesla to give me a free car too, but it ain't happening. At some point a company makes decisions you aren't gonna agree with and your only recourse is to not use them. If that means you can't read Twitter, then that's the price you pay. You aren't "owed" a free Twitter account solely on your own personal terms.

No one's asking for a free car.

They're asking for a stop to major companies lying to the public. To stop harvesting people's data under false pretenses.

I think citizens can and should demand those things from companies that choose to incorporate in their country. That avail themselves of the legal systems and protections. That take advantage of the workforce present.

Companies are free to choose where they operate and incorporate.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by shadilay »

maram wrote: post #136
wildpeaks wrote: post #64

On top of it, it's not just a matter of creating an account because they get blocked within two minutes until you also give them your phone number, despite the registration pretends it's not required (because once you signed up, it's easier to trick people into giving up yet more information than asking for it upfront).

>> it's easier to trick people into giving up yet more information than asking for it upfront What I found interesting is that “translate tweet” button doesn’t appear unless you are signed in. Why cannot I read news from all over the world unless I’m signed in? Why do users have to sign in to read translated tweets in real time?

Does Twitter have to pay to use Google or MS's translate API?

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by bookofjoe »

queuebert wrote: post #81
_dujt wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course, in order to help out the unfortunate website operators, people should willingly give up pii that the same companies have shown they don’t give a damn about protecting. /s

"For your protection." The most abused and dishonest phrase of the 21st century.

Wait — you mean "Sanitized for your protection" on glasses at cheap motels isn't true?

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by arsome »

miohtama wrote: post #79
logicalmonster wrote: post #8

Managements always work toward managing towards what they can measure. I’m sure that daily signups are a metric that they track, hence they’ll prioritize signups even at the cost of user frustration and love, something that’s less tangible. This is the kind of thing that kept me off Quora forever. It’s a great resource but I don’t feel like logging in 100% of the time. So now I just ignore all of their links.

Also Twitter had changed their policy regarding API keys. You no longer just ”get” them. You need to apply. I was rejected for getting key to export my own tweets. Of course, this means everyone is using web scrapers for what was used API keys before, because of you can use public internal API.

I prefer to just steal keys by reverse engineering mobile apps. So easy to get keys for just about anything and charge someone else for it that way.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by dangerface »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #4

When Reddit started doing this it effectively broke my redditing habit. I know these things are annoying but for anyone who is trying to use social media less... Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram are almost unusable without their apps. They are basically useless if you dont sign in on the browser on your phone. It's great if you want to get off them.

I used to love reddit, it was my favourite social media but I can't use it since they redesigned it, they really need to look at hacker news for inspiration.

Re: Twitter starts to require login to view tweets

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Post by Macha »

miohtama wrote: post #79
logicalmonster wrote: post #8

Managements always work toward managing towards what they can measure. I’m sure that daily signups are a metric that they track, hence they’ll prioritize signups even at the cost of user frustration and love, something that’s less tangible. This is the kind of thing that kept me off Quora forever. It’s a great resource but I don’t feel like logging in 100% of the time. So now I just ignore all of their links.

Also Twitter had changed their policy regarding API keys. You no longer just ”get” them. You need to apply. I was rejected for getting key to export my own tweets. Of course, this means everyone is using web scrapers for what was used API keys before, because of you can use public internal API.

And this is likely because there were a few years of "insert your own API key" third party clients after Twitter limited their max user count.

This from the site that used to indicate on every tweet the client used

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