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Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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The new Samsung phones are less attractive for many reasons. A few months ago I upgraded my S8+ to a S20+. I considered the S21+ or Note, but none of those have a microSD slot. I suspect that my next phone will be one of these: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Not trying to dissuade you from the Librem 5 but fyi the Note 20 Ultra does have a microSD card slot. Samsung were planning to remove it from the Note 21 Ultra but that device was cancelled.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

#82
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Most laws tend to frown upon traps. And the blame goes to the one who sets the trap, not the one who trips it, even if the victim was engaging in otherwise illegal actions.

That depends on the trap and how you set it. If you dig a hole for a house and someone falls in you are not liable.

As always, intent is king. If you make a hole intended to be a trap for trespassers, you likely will be liable. If the hole has a different, legitimate purpose, then you're likely not liable if you've marked the hole properly.

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/liabili...

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

#83
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It could be for compliance with Japanese law which forbids taking photos without a shutter sound? This in principle doesn't apply when you're not in Japan, but after unlocking Samsung has no way to tell. Edit: reading the article about SONY ( https://www.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-android-pie-unloc... ), DRM keys seems to be a more likely cause, which drcursor's comment also mentions.

> Japanese law which forbids taking photos without a shutter sound? Why???

IIRC people secretly taking upskirt photos in trains was a significant/frequent problem

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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That raises whole other legal questions.... One basic pillar of contract law basically everywhere is that one can not be bound by a contract that they didn't read, even if they signed it. Usually these cases involve coercion or not knowing the language. If nobody can read the EULA because it's 10 pages of densely written legalese, can they even be bound by it? Since BigCo deliberately made their EULA harder to read t…

> One basic pillar of contract law basically everywhere is that one can not be bound by a contract that they didn't read, even if they signed it. Wait, there has to be more nuance to this, right? Like, I can't just sign a contract and say "I didn't read it" when a term I don't like comes into force. Is there a precedent for where that line is?

For those who can't be bothered to read wikipedia, this only applies when the courts can find you read it to the best of your ability and misunderstood it. Mostly it applies to those who can't read (either at all or the language of the contract) and so trusted someone else to tell them what it meant and they were deceived.

If you could have read the document but didn't, that is your own fault and the contract stands. Only if you couldn't have read the contract, or you clearly could not understand it does the contract not apply.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Personally I refuse to buy any device that requires me to go crying to the manufacturer for an unlock key. Google and OnePlus devices can be unlocked locally with no need to contact anyone and beg, so no one can refuse your unlock on a device you already paid for.

T-Mobile US's LG devices came with unlockable bootloaders as well, but that only helps if someone develops a ROM for it. Even then, more and more important functionality is getting locked behind closed doors. On my Stylo 5, it's not the camera, it's VoLTE. What good is it to run a custom ROM if I can't make and receive phone calls?

I have an LG G8 from T-Mobile. It hasn't been updated since February. Rumor is they're rolling out android 11 in Q4 which is more than a year after 11 was released.

Contrast that with my wife's S10 that's got 11 around February.

At this point I have very little faith LG will follow through with updates for even the original two years let alone android 12.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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I had run LineageOS for some time. It works, but FDroid is missing too many apps, even opensource like Signal. I have to update apks manually every few months.

If you install signal from the apk they(moxie, signal) provide it works without google play services and it will update itself automatically, just requiring you to click a confirmation every few weeks. Calyxos ships with Signal installed. I think it's an install time option? And it updates in an identical fashion.

> it will update itself automatically

is it possible to disable the auto-update? i'd rather see signal stop working than auto-update behind my back.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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If you mess with the central electronics of the car I'm sure the car could choose to disable itself and they wouldn't owe you a cent.

There is in my opinion a difference between a car and a phone. If a car fails, people can die. If a phone fails, it normally doesn't have a huge impact. If a car disables itself, because the central electronics were messed with by laymans, not some repair shop, it is in my opinion totally okay, as it would otherwise endanger humans. But for a phone/other non-critical electronics, there is in my opinion no reason why…

Is that a legal distinction where you live? If not, this all needs to be phrased in the context of “I think this is reasonable and am advocating for legislation with my elected representatives”.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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I have one of these on the way and never intended to root it, but this outrages me. I get that Samsung reserves the right to say "its been rooted and is now longer certified "safe" by us, but BREAKING the functionality of the device that I paid for and own is vandalism.

You can cancel or return it. Money is a signal every company has to pay attention to.

I have been hearing "vote with your wallet" for more than 30 years. It has never, ever, made a difference in the direction of hardware.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is in my opinion a difference between a car and a phone. If a car fails, people can die. If a phone fails, it normally doesn't have a huge impact. If a car disables itself, because the central electronics were messed with by laymans, not some repair shop, it is in my opinion totally okay, as it would otherwise endanger humans. But for a phone/other non-critical electronics, there is in my opinion no reason why…

Is that a legal distinction where you live? If not, this all needs to be phrased in the context of “I think this is reasonable and am advocating for legislation with my elected representatives”.

Thanks, rephrased it a bit to make it obvious

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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I can almost guarantee this is due to licensing issues with the camera firmware. Modern cameras aren't just hardware any more. They're a mix of hardware and advanced processing algorithms that really do make a huge difference in the final output. Those algorithms are often licensed from 3rd parties with specific licensing requirements. Sony has been reasonably good about enabling open-source and fixing these things i…

Never buy devices with non-free firmware. They're always full of garbage like this.

Doesn't that rule out any phone?
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