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IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

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Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#41
lol. wow. nice article.

Of course the IMF has it's own goals which are fairly easy to guess. It's no surprise that a 'credit score' is more a way to separate friends from enemies rather than a measure of creditworthiness.

It's interesting to think of machine learning let loose on the problem of a persons likelihood to pay back their bills. The uproar about the 'unfairness' of the decisions would be tremendous. No doubt that's already been done to a large extent, but the politics of the era won't allow it so there's bound to be a bit of tension in the system.

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#43
post #3

Hey, they got that system in place already in China! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System Go to HackerNews, post a dissenting topic, enjoy no travel or credit! Work in a high compliance job where you have to submit financials yearly, no more!

What is sad is I think as generations go by people will be more willing to accept it. All we need is crisis after crisis to get people to trade freedom for safety bit by bit. Create a crisis where billions are stolen because "the system is broken", offer up social credit and a new monetary system as a solution, have the AP and Reuters send the same propaganda copy to all the news institutions for them to recite in unison with a new repeated phrase like "mutuality" followed by "this is the new normal", call the minority of dissidents "reactionaries" or "right wing", and your new mechanism of authoritarian control can be installed (literally) without any meaningful fight.

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#44
The article is about a post on the IMF's blog by Arnoud Boot, Peter Hoffmann, Luc Laeven, Lev Ratnovski [1], which itself is basically just summarizing a more detailed working paper by the same authors [2].

The working paper doesn't really contain any original research (at least on this topic); they cite a single paper by Tobias Berg, Valentin Burg, Ana Gombović, Manju Puri [3]. The IMF working paper/blog post concludes, on the basis of this paper, that a system "powered by artificial intelligence and machine learning" (ugh) can improve credit assessments using features such as "the type of browser and hardware used to access the internet".

I feel kind of depressed that this needs to be said, but...

1. There is no causal link between user-agent and loan repayment.

2. Attaching high-value signals such as credit scores to such easily spoofed data as user-agent and browsing history has some amazingly obvious problems that are never mentioned.

The level of technological and statistical incompetence on display here is rather astounding, and it's difficult for me to take any of this seriously even before the ethical questions begin.

This is part of an ongoing trend I've noticed: the quality of human capital in financial services seems to be in rapid decline. The cream of the crop was scraped off by huge tech companies on the industry side. On the academic side, all the top students are choosing CS PhD programs instead of econ/finance and top-tier faculty are leaving core econ/business/finance/etc. departments for specialized institutes/departments. And even within finance, already degraded, the under-60 talent that does remain isn't doing stuff like loan origination or credit risk assessment for obvious reasons.

I think it's time to start strictly regulating things like credit scores. If not for reasons of privacy/equality, at least merely because the entire industry seems to be incompetent and getting worse.

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[1] https://blogs.imf.org/2020/12/17/what-is-really-new-in-finte...

[2] https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2020/08/07/Fin...

[3] https://academic.oup.com/rfs/article/33/7/2845/5568311

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#45

Somehow I have a feeling that each passing day, things are getting tighter and tighter and private corporation and government institutions are getting more controlling and totalitarian. That feeling like slowly being boiled into 1984.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#46
This is bizarre. I don't live in the US and have questions.

a) how do they acquire users' web history? Do they purchase it from ISP?

b) how do they know what ISP to ask?

c) how does the ISP know my web history? Last time I checked, almost all websites I visit use https, so the only thing they can see is domain, not /pathname/

d) how does it feel to poke your nose where it doesn't belong?

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#47
Those over at https://patriots.win have been claiming this has been the plan for years. A slow move to a CCP style credit system and world government, led by the IMF (control through finances) and WHO (health experts managing governance)

Even the vice chair of Berkshire Hathaway has said he wanted a Chinese style system (among many others):

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/30/investing/charlie-munger-chin...

It’s been real interesting to watch the conspiracy theories blend and become reality in some cases.

Personally, I think it’s more of a lose collection of similar minded people leading to certain conclusions and/or outcomes. But it does feel like an economic victory in civilization ...

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#48
Credit scores are so fundamentally broken anyway.

In financial analysis of a company, the number one item you tend to look at is "free cash flow" - the "cash available for the company to repay creditors or pay dividends and interest to investors." [1]

Why then do we not take income into account in credit worthiness? Why do I not periodically upload my W2 or tax return to the credit bureaus in order to show that yes, I'm credit-worthy because my income makes it possible to service my debt?

The entire idea of a credit score based on having had credit and paying past loans off is asinine. To start throwing nonsensical parameters like browsing history into the equation is second derivative asinine.

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/freecashflow.asp

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#49

The article is about a post on the IMF's blog by Arnoud Boot, Peter Hoffmann, Luc Laeven, Lev Ratnovski [1], which itself is basically just summarizing a more detailed working paper by the same authors [2]. The working paper doesn't really contain any original research (at least on this topic); they cite a single paper by Tobias Berg, Valentin Burg, Ana Gombović, Manju Puri [3]. The IMF working paper/blog post conclu…

I know "assume incompetence before evil intent" but all of this is so conveniently set up to be an instrument for oppressing and shutting down dissent.

Re: IMF working paper suggests using browsing history in credit score calculations

#50

Somehow I have a feeling that each passing day, things are getting tighter and tighter and private corporation and government institutions are getting more controlling and totalitarian. That feeling like slowly being boiled into 1984.

Won't be hard to pivot the NYC vaccine pass into the NYC health pass.
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