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Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

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Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#11

Post by Grustaf »

echelon wrote: post #6
danuker wrote: post #2

This is particularly troubling in light of their CSAM detection. "Before an image is stored in iCloud Photos, an on-device matching process is performed for that image against the known CSAM hashes." You do not own an Apple device that you buy. https://www.macworld.com/article/352875/ios-15-csam-scanning...

> You do not own an Apple device that you buy. There's no way to avoid the Apple. It's become the Berlin Wall of computing. No admittance, no escape, secret police, protection racket. Companies with apps don't have customers. They're unnaturally fenced off, cajoled, and taxed. Apple laughably claims privacy. Meanwhile device owners can't repair their phones or expect not to be spied on. When they aren't paying $500 f…

> The damn thing doesn't even have a web browser that isn't safari.

Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#12

Post by Grustaf »

demarq wrote: post #8

Also if you activate the screenshot on tap, you'll notice that your iphone will take screenshots through out the day without you even providing the necessary taps. see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/hzovl0/back_tap_set_to...

1. Even the reddit posts doesn't claim that

2. Do you think Apple would put the screenshots in the Photos app if they were taking them in order to spy on you?

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#13

Post by watermelon0 »

Grustaf wrote: post #11
echelon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You do not own an Apple device that you buy. There's no way to avoid the Apple. It's become the Berlin Wall of computing. No admittance, no escape, secret police, protection racket. Companies with apps don't have customers. They're unnaturally fenced off, cajoled, and taxed. Apple laughably claims privacy. Meanwhile device owners can't repair their phones or expect not to be spied on. When they aren't paying $500 f…

> The damn thing doesn't even have a web browser that isn't safari. Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers.

You are limited to WebKit rendering engine and JavaScriptCore, so practically all non-Safari browsers are more or less just a different skins of Safari.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#14

Post by caddybox »

Grustaf wrote: post #11
echelon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You do not own an Apple device that you buy. There's no way to avoid the Apple. It's become the Berlin Wall of computing. No admittance, no escape, secret police, protection racket. Companies with apps don't have customers. They're unnaturally fenced off, cajoled, and taxed. Apple laughably claims privacy. Meanwhile device owners can't repair their phones or expect not to be spied on. When they aren't paying $500 f…

> The damn thing doesn't even have a web browser that isn't safari. Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers.

> Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers.

All browsers on iOS must use the WebKit browser engine making them, in essence, safari clones with a different look and feel.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#15

Post by ivalm »

Grustaf wrote: post #11
echelon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You do not own an Apple device that you buy. There's no way to avoid the Apple. It's become the Berlin Wall of computing. No admittance, no escape, secret police, protection racket. Companies with apps don't have customers. They're unnaturally fenced off, cajoled, and taxed. Apple laughably claims privacy. Meanwhile device owners can't repair their phones or expect not to be spied on. When they aren't paying $500 f…

> The damn thing doesn't even have a web browser that isn't safari. Why would you claim this? There are no limitations on web browsers.

Apple forces all third party browsers on iOS to use WebKit, so really everything has to use safari’s rendering engine.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#17

Post by Geee »

Nextgrid wrote: post #9

Something even more dangerous, if you have iCloud Drive enabled and open a (non-cloud) file in Numbers or Pages it'll save a copy in iCloud while you're editing it - it deletes it when you close it so you might even notice unless you go into iCloud on the web and check recently deleted files.

Wow, that's straight up espionage. I bet they don't even delete the files, but just hide them from you.

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#18

Post by DavideNL »

I can confirm experiencing this issue, at some point suddenly my iPad iCloud backups were enabled even though i’ve always had it switched off (for many years), since iCloud backups are not e2e encrypted and Apple can “see” all data…

Re: Tell HN: Signing out and in to Apple device forcefully activates iCloud sync

#19

Post by sharikous »

Color me surprised

Seriously I really want to be able to claim I own a piece of electronics again. I feel the next step will be the FBI putting in a watchlist whoever buys a Polaroid, a Framework laptop or a Pinephone (suspicious that you don't want to be spied on...).

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