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Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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Since darktable introduced the scene referred workflow I would argue it's an extremely steep learning curve for anyone coming from display referred software (Lightroom, Capture One etc). Scene referred is very much a cine-thing and I know of no other still image software that uses it. dt v3.6 made scene referred default. Aurélien has been one of the driving forces behind the switch to scene referred and his hour long…

For anyone caring just enough to wonder what scene referred and display referred are talking about… scene referred does its filtering and mapping work on the pixel values in a linear space, presumably linear to "photons observed" but I could be wrong there. display referred does its filtering and mapping on pixel values which have already been through a nonlinear function to make them appropriate for display. The sce…

> scene referred does its filtering and mapping work on the pixel values in a linear space, presumably linear to "photons observed" but I could be wrong there.

You are correct. If you see Y light in real life, and that corresponds to a pixel value of 1000, 2Y light should correspond to 2000.

> display referred does its filtering and mapping on pixel values which have already been through a nonlinear function to make them appropriate for display.

The nonlinear function is usually 0 brightness to 100% brightness of the media (for instance, pure white on a printed piece of paper or pure white on a display). Scene referred photos technically have no bound (there is clipping, but you can just expose less and increase the exposure in editing to effectively get the same thing)

Of note is that you have to change a scene referred color space into display referred color space anyways...

Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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Past threads, including one from last month: Darktable 3.6 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27720908 - July 2021 (73 comments) Darktable 3.2.1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24156113 - Aug 2020 (47 comments) Darktable 3.0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21874528 - Dec 2019 (120 comments) Darktable 3.0 Approaching with Many New Features - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21440612 - Nov 2019 (1…

Do you have a tagging system, or do you just use search? Or is it a prodigious memory?

Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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Past threads, including one from last month: Darktable 3.6 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27720908 - July 2021 (73 comments) Darktable 3.2.1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24156113 - Aug 2020 (47 comments) Darktable 3.0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21874528 - Dec 2019 (120 comments) Darktable 3.0 Approaching with Many New Features - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21440612 - Nov 2019 (1…

Do you have a tagging system, or do you just use search? Or is it a prodigious memory?

Just search. But I have software to semi-automate formatting the comments.

Lol re memory - what's the opposite of 'prodigious'...

Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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I'm glad Darktable exists. Adobe letting Lightroom "Classic" sit and rot for years, along with increasing the price substantially has really opened the market up to competition. I'm currently using PhotoLab 4, but that's mostly because workflow wise it is "good enough" while offering killer features like DeepPrime and ClearView+ (that neither Lightroom Classic nor Darktable have an answer to yet). Long term though I…

I've just recently been combining Photolab with Darktable.

DeepPRIME really is a killer feature. It produces images that are basically noise-free without turning the whole image into a smooth featureless blob.

But I also really like Darktable's Filmic RGB module and colour management (you can output P3 images and actually make use of the wide gamut displays that nearly every modern device has).

So I've taken to this process:

- Cull my images and putting everything but the ones that make the cut into a "Rejected" folder. I used FastRawViewer at first but I've warmed to Digikam.

- Run DeepPRIME and DxO's optical corrections with Photolab and export a DNG.

- Do final adjustments and exports in Darktable.

Basically, Photolab allows me to use Darktable but skip Lensfun (which others have mentioned is a bit of a weak point in Darktable) and push my shadows as far as I want without noise.

Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a tagging system, or do you just use search? Or is it a prodigious memory?

Just search. But I have software to semi-automate formatting the comments. Lol re memory - what's the opposite of 'prodigious'...

I've been wanting to ask what oh_sigh asked for a long time but 'reply' option wasn't available for your pinned comment, Do you disable reply for your comment on some posts?

Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just search. But I have software to semi-automate formatting the comments. Lol re memory - what's the opposite of 'prodigious'...

I've been wanting to ask what oh_sigh asked for a long time but 'reply' option wasn't available for your pinned comment, Do you disable reply for your comment on some posts?

Yes, but only when the comment is pinned to the top. The purpose is to prevent too much offtopicness at the top of a thread.

(Of course the pinned comment is already off topic, but it's hopefully a necessary evil.)

Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wanting to ask what oh_sigh asked for a long time but 'reply' option wasn't available for your pinned comment, Do you disable reply for your comment on some posts?

Yes, but only when the comment is pinned to the top. The purpose is to prevent too much offtopicness at the top of a thread. (Of course the pinned comment is already off topic, but it's hopefully a necessary evil.)

Thank you for the work you do.

Re: Darktable: An open source photography workflow application

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Since darktable introduced the scene referred workflow I would argue it's an extremely steep learning curve for anyone coming from display referred software (Lightroom, Capture One etc). Scene referred is very much a cine-thing and I know of no other still image software that uses it. dt v3.6 made scene referred default. Aurélien has been one of the driving forces behind the switch to scene referred and his hour long…

I have to admit I still don’t get Filmic. I have a basic grasp of it but I am much more comfortable with shadow and highlight adjustments. I have watched pretty much all tutorials I could find but I am struggling big time. I have no idea how other people feel about it but I am starting to wonder if the scene refereed workflow is more an intellectual exercise and less a practical tool.

Filmic mimics the nonlinear dynamic range response on film medium to push the contrast and dramatic look present on the shot.

It also highlights how old film struggles when compared to much more capable CMOS we have today.

I use filmic rather frequently to get the look / emotion response for a shot, however it's not always suitable. Sometimes the lighting is not favorable for it, sometimes the shot I have at hand is not well suited for that because of other reasons.

Shadow, highlights, exposure, etc. are corrective tools while Filmic tends to be an artistic one.

My other favorite tool is contrast equalizer.

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