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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #210
mr_overalls wrote: post #193

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> how does covid transmit It seems likely that they were drinking sewage-contaminated water. Ingestion of contaminated water is the source of a staggering variety of illnesses for both humans and animals. Souce: I work in environmental monitoring.

Which towns in Canada are dumping untreated sewage into the water? As far as I'm aware every province has an environmental ministry that doesn't grant exemptions from sewage treatment. So if it's still ongoing...

This might be specific to very old cities, but New York City has a combined sewage and storm water system. Sewage ("black water") and rainwater from the streets goes through the same output processing. When it rains a lot, the system can't cope, and the water (sewage and all) is discharged into the Atlantic.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

tialaramex wrote: post #596
itsoktocry wrote: post #574

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> Not 26 per 100k population I know people like to think that doing the per-capita calculation puts every country on an even footing for comparison. But it's kind of silly to straight compare countries with vastly different geographies and economies, regardless of population normalization. > I think there's a fair chance they'll beat it again If they are locked down, again, 16 months into this thing, they never beat…

> If they are locked down, again, 16 months into this thing, they never beat anything. They eliminated this virus across Aotearoa. We didn't eliminate it everywhere else (actually almost anywhere else) and infected people continued to arrive at their border, eventually one of those infections (from Australia) leaked into their community about two weeks ago. Unless your point is some purely nihilist position like "In…

Please don’t blame Australia for NSW’s mistake. The rest of us are facing a similar problem due to their state governments incompetence.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by dragonwriter »

nkohari wrote: post #291
jcrben wrote: post #85

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Nearly 300 hospitalized per day, nearly 500 dead so far. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/07/health/children-covid-19-prot... Unknown how many will long-term health effects. Even seemingly innocuous viruses like Epstein-Barr are tied to various health problems later in life. Why should we knowingly expose an entire generation to a little understood virus?

Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html We are actually _incredibly_ fortunate that Covid spares children to the degree that it does.

> Influenza kills thousands of people under 18 every year:

No, not only does this exaggerate the normal annual impact, but it has killed far fewer (about half) in that age group than COVID has during the COVID crisis. Most of the COVID countermeasures (everything other than the vaccine itself) are effective against the flu, too, and COVID is much more dangerous (considering both deadliness and infectiousness) than the flu even to kids.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se...

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Post by boldpandabear »

twodave wrote: post #819
burlesona wrote: post #737

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I don’t know if that’s true. Case in point, the reason that Florida is drowning in COVID right now is that the majority of people there don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s the same thing and many other parts of the country. There are still a lot of people who are freaked out, but most ordinary people are starting to tune out the news and lose interest because the media calls to be scared and panic just make them numb e…

I appreciate you sugar-coating it since I live there, but it's a bit worse than that. I live in Jacksonville. Of my friends, family and other connections there are just a few buckets people fall into: the informed, the purposefully-ignorant, and the idiots. Sadly, we've learned through the last year or so that many of our friends are actually idiots. That's been tough.

They feel the same about you I’m sure.

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Post by gpt5 »

skadamou wrote: post #390

Does anyone know of any resources that talk about how endemic COVID might look for immune-compromised folks? I recognize there probably just isn't the research yet to make too many claims about how this disease effects people on immune-supressing drugs but I have found vanishingly little on the web that even takes a stab at what life should look like for those folks in the long run. This is a rare Atlantic article th…

Here is a study specifically on immunocompromised people:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/3rd-covid-shot-highly-potent-i...

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

tialaramex wrote: post #596
itsoktocry wrote: post #574

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> Not 26 per 100k population I know people like to think that doing the per-capita calculation puts every country on an even footing for comparison. But it's kind of silly to straight compare countries with vastly different geographies and economies, regardless of population normalization. > I think there's a fair chance they'll beat it again If they are locked down, again, 16 months into this thing, they never beat…

> If they are locked down, again, 16 months into this thing, they never beat anything. They eliminated this virus across Aotearoa. We didn't eliminate it everywhere else (actually almost anywhere else) and infected people continued to arrive at their border, eventually one of those infections (from Australia) leaked into their community about two weeks ago. Unless your point is some purely nihilist position like "In…

But.. they didn't beat it. It's not endemic, it's not "one of the common colds", it's a locked down island, where noone can enter or exit freely anymore. This is like hiding in a cave, and saying that you've beat the bear outside.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

inreverse wrote: post #809
vondur wrote: post #805

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And it seem a as soon as they start to open up, they get new infections. How many hard lockdowns will they have to have?

Our last level four lockdown was in April of 2020 - where are you getting your information?

How many tourists did you get this year? How many local tourists went to other countries and came back?

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

monkeynotes wrote: post #591
tialaramex wrote: post #565

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> Or maybe the whole 'if we just lock down for two weeks, this will be over' tops the list of stupidity New Zealand had 26 deaths in over a year of the pandemic. Not 26 per 100k population. Not 26 per day. Twenty six people full stop. Because in fact "We go hard and we go early" works. Right now they are locked down (since last week) because they had one case in their community, but of course it isn't ever one case a…

My household has had zero cases per capita. Population count and relative isolation make a huge difference. You can't directly compare NZ with places like Germany or the US.

It's not just that... NZ is an island, with few people going in and out daily. In europe, you have people living in one country and working in another, and driving across the border daily. You have trucks driving through 10 different countries, with drivers stopping, filling up the gas, eating and sleeping in many of them. You have large cities, where the border goes across the urban areas, and your nearest store is in another country.

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Post by justin66 »

habosa wrote: post #700

At this point we almost know too much about the spread of this disease. Never in history have we tested so much for one thing. Never in history have we really worried about asymptomatic cases of anything. This is probably the first time in history that the whole world has the same scary thing as their front-page news. It's going to be really, really hard for us to shake the mindset that thousands of covid cases === d…

> Never in history have we really worried about asymptomatic cases of anything.

This was an extremely silly thing to write. Typhoid Mary was tracked down, was locked up for three decades and became a legend over a century ago. Before modern drugs and widespread vaccination programs people worried a lot about asymptomatic transmission of disease.

You might argue that not having to worry as much about survival now that we've got modern vaccination has made people think about asymptomatic transmission of infectious disease less, but seriously, that's also nuts. It's not like everyone somehow failed to consider asymptomatic transmission of HIV since the mid eighties. Worrying about it changed our culture.

> Never in history have we tested so much for one thing.

TB skin tests and strep tests have been much more widely used.

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #598
autokad wrote: post #521

There is lots of competition for the top of the stupidity list. NYC locking down all summer and then 'opening up' in September seemed top of the list to me. It's not that I thought they should have stayed locked down the entire time, its that they should have opened in the summer so they could lock down in the winter if they really needed it. But seriously though, locking down in the summer to only open up in flu sea…

>Or what about the fact we are 2 years into this and we still haven't built a significant amount of hospitals? I don't think 2 years is enough to just "build new hostipal", let alone staff them, supply them to hospital standards, and start taking business. It's not land that's short, it's talent.

Why not? The chinese built them in a few days.

This is not a "standard" hospital, this is basically comparable to a warzone... so containers, drywall, and considering that most people there don't need a specialist, they can reuse doctors, that have nothing to do during the lockdowns (eg. in my slovenia, government-employed orthopedic doctors had someone else check them in daily, to get paid and get covid extra-pay, while never showing up for work and working in private practy all that time).

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