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Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
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Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you can blame capitalism for this. Apple does this stuff right, and they make money. [aside: I paid $15 for iMovie 11 the other day, and I think I entered my App store password to confirm purchase, iMovie dropped into my dock, done.] Continuing, it's more likely that MS execs, managers, just have the wrong incentives. I have never worked at MS, but I'd imagine you get promoted for having people under yo…
Surely the fundamental problem here is more that Microsoft have never had to learn how to keep users happy. They had their monopoly handed to them on a silver platter and their technology was only good enough that users didn't abandon them (not that they had a lot of other practical options). Apple had to do this stuff right, because if they don't a Mac would be just like Windows with a different logo and nobody woul…
My view is that Microsoft itself simplified the PC experience quite well for a set of users during the 80s and early 90s. With DOS and Windows 3.11.
During this time, a lot of people who were not "computer experts" at that time were able get things done with the computer. Even if it was "painful" to do something (all those commands in the command prompt), people would do it beacuse they will achieve some result.
Then the Monopoly became evident, and around the time of Windows 95 Microsoft realized they did not need to make things simple to users, but instead users had to learn how to use their tools. This is what you get right; Microsoft did not need to do anything between Windows 95 and Windows XP to get money. People needed to use Microsoft products because other people used them and if you dared to use Qpro, Apple products or anything else, then your workflow was not compatible with the general workflow of everybody else.
This is were Apple (I guess, Steve Jobs) got it right. They looked all the "paper cuts" [c.f. Canonical] that people thought were "normal" (remember the "normal" BSOD?) and focused on doing products where people did not have to go through all those issues. More importantly, they learnt how to do that. How to detect those "paper cuts" and how to fix them.
In the 20 years that Microsoft monopoly served them, they lost the ability to do that. They lost the ability to know how to make things easier for the users; I suppose all that got mixed within the convoluted bureaucracy within the company. You actually can see some of that in the way Bill's mail is treated: The concerned people do not "get it", what is wrong with Bill's scenario; they just open a "ticket" to fix the Media player problem... and surely a download of Media Player appeared on Microsoft's front webpage next Monday. But they did not attack the underlying problem.
I agree with you that with Windows 7 Microsoft is doing better. But as you, I also think that they still have not "got" the talent they lost a long time ago of being able to make things easier.
I always thought that it would have been better (from the point of view of technology progress) if Microsoft had split in the 3 sub-companies when they were sued back in the day. That might have helped to streamline the bureaucratic processes within the company.
Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you can blame capitalism for this. Apple does this stuff right, and they make money. [aside: I paid $15 for iMovie 11 the other day, and I think I entered my App store password to confirm purchase, iMovie dropped into my dock, done.] Continuing, it's more likely that MS execs, managers, just have the wrong incentives. I have never worked at MS, but I'd imagine you get promoted for having people under yo…
Surely the fundamental problem here is more that Microsoft have never had to learn how to keep users happy. They had their monopoly handed to them on a silver platter and their technology was only good enough that users didn't abandon them (not that they had a lot of other practical options). Apple had to do this stuff right, because if they don't a Mac would be just like Windows with a different logo and nobody woul…
Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely the fundamental problem here is more that Microsoft have never had to learn how to keep users happy. They had their monopoly handed to them on a silver platter and their technology was only good enough that users didn't abandon them (not that they had a lot of other practical options). Apple had to do this stuff right, because if they don't a Mac would be just like Windows with a different logo and nobody woul…
You hit what I think is a critical point but with some anti-Microsoft bias. My view is that Microsoft itself simplified the PC experience quite well for a set of users during the 80s and early 90s. With DOS and Windows 3.11. During this time, a lot of people who were not "computer experts" at that time were able get things done with the computer. Even if it was "painful" to do something (all those commands in the com…
I doubt they were consciously making a bad product. What was the state of usability in the mid 90's? If I think back to my Mac OS 7 days, I remember more than a fair share of problems. You really don't realize the problems with a 'good enough' design/process/business model until someone does it better.
Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#65Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#66Bill actually mentioned this in in another interview (can't find that now, I think it was around the time of his retirement from MSFT - it could have been at an internal event). He basically said something like - I don't know why people think that the email is something weird or unique. This is my job and I do it all the time. My personal take - I actually blame Bill for this. The real cause of the situation is how t…
Just look at the thread on this email and you'll get the sense of the typical org finger pointing downward spiral.
But look at how Jobs handles something similar: "When you're the janitor, reasons matter. Somewhere between the janitor and the CEO, reasons stop mattering."
I'll leave it at that.
Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#67Bill actually mentioned this in in another interview (can't find that now, I think it was around the time of his retirement from MSFT - it could have been at an internal event). He basically said something like - I don't know why people think that the email is something weird or unique. This is my job and I do it all the time. My personal take - I actually blame Bill for this. The real cause of the situation is how t…
People think the email is weird or unique because they are surprised that Bill Gates made 40 Billion dollars by running a company that builds products that bring intense pain to it users, and he appears to as frustrated as anyone else about the problem, and yet is completely powerless to stop it, even though he is in charge of everyone involved. It's bizarre to see someone who knows he is doing everything wrong and i…
You're focusing on the negative and forgetting the positive. Yes, Windows can be counter-intuitive, but it has enabled millions of people in the world to be more productive. This is why most of the planet is using Windows.
> Microsoft has been a slow-motion train wreck for 15 years
A lot of companies would love to be able to live for that long (and by the way, it's more like 30+ years).
Yes, you will be right at some point in the future, Microsoft will fall. It doesn't seem to be in the near future, though, considering their recent blow out quarters.
I'm a Mac user myself, but come on, let's be fair here.
Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Come on now. > products that bring intense pain to it users I'm a Mac user and I love Office (over OO and iWork). > as frustrated as anyone else about the problem It's not "a" problem. It's a large organization with tons of products, and some are more sucky then the rest. > is completely powerless to stop it He wasn't the CEO anymore when he wrote this. Also, even if he were the CEO, he can't go in and fix every anno…
"If it weren't for Bill Gates, we might not be having this conversation..." I hate it when people give Bill Gates and Microsoft credit for whole computer and IT advancements. We are having this conversation because many many people worked hard on these technologies. Microsoft and Bill Gates are only one of them. Of course, DOS and Windows accerelated wider adoption of personal computers, but even if they havent, some…
Or maybe the original poster was saying this because he was typing his response on a Windows computer.
Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Come on now. > products that bring intense pain to it users I'm a Mac user and I love Office (over OO and iWork). > as frustrated as anyone else about the problem It's not "a" problem. It's a large organization with tons of products, and some are more sucky then the rest. > is completely powerless to stop it He wasn't the CEO anymore when he wrote this. Also, even if he were the CEO, he can't go in and fix every anno…
"If it weren't for Bill Gates, we might not be having this conversation..." I hate it when people give Bill Gates and Microsoft credit for whole computer and IT advancements. We are having this conversation because many many people worked hard on these technologies. Microsoft and Bill Gates are only one of them. Of course, DOS and Windows accerelated wider adoption of personal computers, but even if they havent, some…
Re: Flame from Bill Gates Re: Windows Usability
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know usability is hard, but this is just an install. It's not like he's actually up to making a movie, yet. The user "stories" (are these even stories?) should be: 1 - Bill types "movie maker" or "moviemaker" into a search box (any search box) in the Microsoft website. 2 - A button / link that says "Download Microsoft Movie Maker!" appears on the first page (preferably the first link). 3 - Bill clicks the link. 4 -…
That's four steps too many, and you've missed the step where the user chooses that Movie Maker is the specific app they want. It should be: 1 - Bill searches for "video editing" or similar 2 - Bill runs an app he selects from the result list Everything else is pandering to technical details. Advanced options can be presented as a right-click menu on the result list.