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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:53 PM UTC

pacomerh wrote: post #561

autokad wrote: post #521

There is lots of competition for the top of the stupidity list. NYC locking down all summer and then 'opening up' in September seemed top of the list to me. It's not that I thought they should have stayed locked down the entire time, its that they should have opened in the summer so they could lock down in the winter if they really needed it. But seriously though, locking down in the summer to only open up in flu sea…

> some research has shown that they don't do very well at stopping spread, so why all the fuss to force people to get vaccinated? So why are they calling this the pandemic of the unvaccinated? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/21/how-unvac... - https://www.healthline.com/health-news/risks-of-the-delta-va... - https://abcnews.go.com/Health/statistics-show-risks-vaccinat... and the list goes on and on.…

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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:54 PM UTC

onetimeusename wrote: post #747

xadhominemx wrote: post #511

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Vaccine refusal has not become a major partisan political issue in any other country. It happened here because of the shameless cynicism of the Republican Party and aligned media apparatus.

I think making a comment like yours is exactly how things become politicized or at the very least contributes to it being so. It creates a climate of mutual distrust which in turn can feed paranoia on both sides and create a hostile environment where propagandizing and skepticism fuel a downward spiral in discourse.

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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by trompetenaccoun » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:55 PM UTC

tialaramex wrote: post #565

autokad wrote: post #521

There is lots of competition for the top of the stupidity list. NYC locking down all summer and then 'opening up' in September seemed top of the list to me. It's not that I thought they should have stayed locked down the entire time, its that they should have opened in the summer so they could lock down in the winter if they really needed it. But seriously though, locking down in the summer to only open up in flu sea…

> Or maybe the whole 'if we just lock down for two weeks, this will be over' tops the list of stupidity New Zealand had 26 deaths in over a year of the pandemic. Not 26 per 100k population. Not 26 per day. Twenty six people full stop. Because in fact "We go hard and we go early" works. Right now they are locked down (since last week) because they had one case in their community, but of course it isn't ever one case a…

As others have pointed out they're able to totally control their border and quarantine every single arrival.

But more importantly, how will it end for them? Australia and New Zealand are among the worst corona zealot nations. New Zealand just shut down everything over a single case and the PM told people to not even talk to each other anymore. How will they get out of this? If they looked at the facts they'd understand they will have to open up eventually, might as well do it now. Instead they're now trapped in eternal 'zero covid'.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Synaesthesia » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:55 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

The UK already went ahead and reponed prematurely with a huge influx of new cases following

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by sk2020 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

simonw wrote: post #458

rayiner wrote: post #372

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> It boggles my mind why there is pushback on mandating kids to wear masks in schools. It really shouldn’t if you’re an educated person who is following what scientific authorities are saying. The science here is still uncertain, but leaning towards masks for kids in schools not being worth it. See: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-maski... > At the end of May, the Centers for Disease Control an…

How is "the science here is still uncertain" an argument against masks in schools? If it turns out they are useful, wearing them will have been a good idea. If it turns out that they weren't useful, what harm has been caused? (I'm aware that there are people out there who think wearing masks for a year or two will scar children for life, but for the most part I don't think those people are arguing in good faith. The…

For the same reasons, I think that lucky rabbit’s feet should be mandatory. Also, horoscopes should be consulted prior to attending schools. If you can think of anything else that didn’t work for this or any other illnesses in history, then I think that you should demand schools make them mandatory, just in case.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:00 PM UTC

tialaramex wrote: post #695

moonchrome wrote: post #569

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They are a bunch of islands in the middle of nowhere with a population of a larger city - how is their situation applicable to any major nation in the world ?

Uhuh. Hawaii, an entire US state that is "a bunch of islands in the middle of nowhere" and yet somehow didn't eliminate the virus has far fewer people than New Zealand.

Hawaii has the lowest coronavirus death rate per capita of any US state and is lower than the US average by nearly a factor of five.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by rafaelero » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:05 PM UTC

lobocinza wrote: post #710

xadhominemx wrote: post #511

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Vaccine refusal has not become a major partisan political issue in any other country. It happened here because of the shameless cynicism of the Republican Party and aligned media apparatus.

Vaccine refusal is a major partisan political issue on Brazil. Current president didn't want to take proper action and pushed for "herd immunity". And created, shared and supported the craziest conspiracy stories with his alienated supporters. Like Trump but worse.

And still, 95% of the population intends to take the shot anyways. What's happening in the US is really curious and can't be attributed solely to politics. I would love to hear a more comprehensive explanation for why antivax ideas could proliferate to such a large extent in the US.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by mrkramer » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:07 PM UTC

salamandersauce wrote: post #719

mrkramer wrote: post #708

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>Today, thanks to air travel, the world is a village. Wuhan is exposed one week, and the world the next. Why didn't China impose strict lockdown in the early days of epidemic in Wuhan area instead they let millions of Chinese people travel around the world and spread COVID? But then we wouldn't know "the true power of mRNA therapies and medications". Honestly death rate of 0.1% is not something to go crazy about. The…

It's not a 0.1% death rate. Over 1.6% of US confirmed covid cases have resulted in death for example. To get a 0.1% death rate you either have to assume there is 10 times more unreported cases (in which case everybody in the US has had covid once or multiple times already at this point) or claim stupid shit like people with comorbidites were going to die then anyways. Please don't spread misinformation.

You are spreading misinformation because you are not telling what age group is the most endangered and with what comorbidites.

For example mortality rate in Mexico is 7.8% and in Peru 9.2% but in Denmark it is 0.8% and in Netherlands 0.9%.[0]

You are not taking age of the group, health status and medical history of the group and quality of the health care and quality of the treatment they received in consideration.

Read this article about what happened in Canadian Long Term Care homes: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadian-mili...

And I referred to the death rate in the beginning of the pandemic and to be true you can not know real death cause of a person without autopsy.

[0] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by maerF0x0 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:08 PM UTC

beloch wrote: post #489

"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

> and a unusually contagious and deadly mutant will always be a possibility.

Is this not the case with other existing virus' like the flu? Yet people choose to go on with daily activities, even bringing it to the office just to feel (self?) important ...

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by analogdreams » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:09 PM UTC

monkeydreams wrote: post #740

partiallypro wrote: post #685

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You must be joking? As bad as (some) Republicans are let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Not only did that put distrust into the hearts of people on the left, it also gave ammunition for the people on the right. It should have never been a political issue. Unfortunately this is a bipartisan problem (though right now it's more prevalent on the right, I suspect if…

> let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Could you point me in the direction of a source on this? I have done my own research and pulled up absolutely nothing. Actually that's inaccurate. I pulled up a BUNCH of 2020 articles where Biden talks about inadequate vaccination orders, etc. But I'd be interested in seeing the basis of your claims.

you need to look no further than kamala's vp debate video.