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Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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I love walking and there are many parks next to where I live. However I am never able to fully enjoy it or indulge in any longer thinking activities as most of the time I'll be interrupted by either elderly people asking me "to go back where I came from" or random ID checks by undercover police. This happened a lot (5x times) over the last year when I decide to go and walk in a park, once even during an online call w…

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Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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> The end of summer is approaching and the water is getting colder, I am exploring the indoor pools in my vicinity. I don't know where you are, but would wetsuit help to extend the time you can swim in the open waters? Obviously, I'm just assuming you're not doing that already... :)

It might. But the problem is not only the temp of the water. If it is overcast, windy and not too warm, it takes a lot of mental strength to engage in the activity. I am a bit disappointed by the entrace fee of the indoor pools : about € 5. These are municipal pools.

I don't know about you, but I'm particularly motivated by endurance activities in the cold. The mental aspect of accepting the cold's effect on you is often more interesting than the motoric process of running or swimming.

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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On the one hand I agree, on the other hand it is a fact of nature that clothing displays a message. I think demands that clothes should not be significant are simply unrealistic. I think even if police suspect somebody, they should still treat them with respect, though. That is the real issue. You can not ask the police to never suspect anybody - that would make their jobs impossible and ridiculous.

Really, I think we should sincerely and earnestly question what problem the police are presumed to solve. The most useful functions they serve in my area are to help direct traffic during construction, for which they absolutely do not need weapons. Otherwise the idea is that we will be safer if a handful of armed people drive around at their whim staring at pedestrians. They can't go back in time, nor do their method…

I suppose most of it is about drug and gang crimes. Drugs are of course debatable.

Here in Berlin we have parks taken over by drug dealers and people don't feel safe. What is the solution? I don't know. Berlin's government responded by giving the drug dealers designated areas for drug dealing. I rather suspect they rely on those dealers for their personal supplies.

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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On the one hand I agree, on the other hand it is a fact of nature that clothing displays a message. I think demands that clothes should not be significant are simply unrealistic. I think even if police suspect somebody, they should still treat them with respect, though. That is the real issue. You can not ask the police to never suspect anybody - that would make their jobs impossible and ridiculous.

I used to walk in a park every night at around midnight, in a big city with tons of police gang units. Not once was I ever approached by anyone. It was peaceful every time, without exception. That changed when the police started driving their massive SUVs on the park path after 11pm to make sure nobody was in the park. The first time they did it, they argued that the park was closed, though there were no signs saying…

I wonder if Corona was part of the issue. There were a lot of weird rules about staying in parks during the last 1.5 years. At some point, people were allowed to walk, but not to stop or sit down, for example. There were quite a few ugly scenes with police trying to evict people from parks.

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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Or maybe, and this might sound outlandish, we are tired of the tendrils of this insidious beast infecting every single thing. Walking. Walking? Yes, walking. "Come on" is right.

Tendrils of an insidious beast? A bit dramatic? What are you including in said “insidious beast?” Any mention of a racial past is representative on an evil monster seeking to pervade all culture? I think you’ve been watching too much hentai.

Dramatic? Maybe. But definitely not an overstatement, and nowhere near as dramatic as ideas like all social dynamics are oppressor/oppressed social dynamics, or that for example black people cannot walk around and therefore white people have privilege to walk around and therefore think and reason.

I don't mind mention of a racial past, as long as it is actually applicable. Want to talk about slavery in the Americas? Jim Crow and segregation? European colonialism? The Maori genocide on the Moriori people? Sure, we can talk about it. But Walking? Yes, walking apparently. An attempt to cram racism into every facet of life, even where it didn't exist and doesn't belong, is absolutely 100% and evil monster seeking to pervade all culture.

I don't watch hentai.

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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Can we, for a second, remember that walking-makes-thinking-easier is a classic ADHD/ASD symptom? And that both ADHD and ASD have been linked to creative, deep thinking? Charles Darwin, the #1 example in this article, has been long suspected to have had Asperger's (which we classify as ASD today)[1]; and had exhibited symptoms of ADHD (one makes the other more likely)[2]. That link is only a surprise to neurotypicals.…

> Can we, for a second, remember that walking-makes-thinking-easier is a classic ADHD/ASD symptom?

Is there scientific evidence supporting this link?

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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post #147

As a person who walked 8/15 hours for two months straight I can relate to most of the statements written by the author. I believe that listening to music or other recordings takes away from the experience and the mental gains that walking provides, and this is why I skip the headphones during my adventures. I can attest that after 10 days of continuous autonomous movement the mind switches to a "primordial" state tha…

Did you experience mental breakdowns of any kind while you were walking?

None whatsoever aside from the usual post-adventure depression.

I've met several persons lost on pilgrimage routes due to mental breakdowns. It's a know problem, people find happiness and an alternative life during a pilgrimage and keep on walking the routes back and forth through Europe until they run out of money and then become homeless. At the beginning of the French route towards Santiago de Compostela you might still find some mental health counseling offices.

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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>also an infamous introvert ...and a person who likely had ASD[1][2][3][4] (aka Asperger's, being on the spectrum, etc). As did Charles Darwin (see my other comment in this thread). [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC539373/ [2] https://www.quora.com/Did-Paul-Dirac-have-Asperger-syndrome [3] https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2009/jan/07/autism-... [4] https://www.newstatesman.com/society/2010/11/…

I am not on the autistic spectrum, but in my experience walking does help a lot with thinking things through. Part of it is certainly the lack of distractions, but there is something about the movement too. I'm not sure why you've brought autism up.

I brought autism up because:

1. The #1 example featured in the article and discussed at length — Charles Darwin — is known to have exhibited autistic symptoms, and was retro diagnosed with Asperger's by medical professionals. However, this has not been discussed well in the article.

2. Walking is a form of stimming

3. Stimming while thinking is a symptom of ASD

4. It benefits the society at large to be aware of this symptom, as it is frequently looked down upon and considered ill behavior

5. In particular regarding walking: while many people can benefit from walking while thinking, it might be required for people with ASD, like Charles Darwin. However, children in our classrooms (and most office employees) don't have that option; even fidgeting while listening is not allowed in many schools.

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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I have found that I have my best (and worst) ideas by changing mental states. For example I’m usually sober so when I’m intoxicated I usually have garbage ideas, but every now and then I think of something truly incredible/useful that I would never have had insight into sober. The same applies to being sleep deprived, it leads me into a different mental headspace where I can think differently than normal (though I tr…

There is something about sleep deprivation that makes me so vividly visually creative, things and image flow in my mind like they otherwise never do. Unfortunately I haven't found a way to trigger this any other way, so my only real creative moments tend to happen in the middle of the night where they aren't much use to anyone.

I'm guessing the added visuals come from hypnagogia, the state between waking and sleep where you can see imagery related to dreaming. I'm especially aware of this state because I have aphantasia and thus have no other method of seeing imagery in my head that doesn't pass through my retinas first. I've seen it when I thought I was awake, but later realize I wasn't fully awake. I also used to dabble in lucid dreaming, and spent a lot of time trying to ride the line between being awake and falling asleep. I'd suggest learning how to lucid dream, because that's another environment where you can be visually creative.

Re: On the link between great thinking and obsessive walking

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post #33

Can we, for a second, remember that walking-makes-thinking-easier is a classic ADHD/ASD symptom? And that both ADHD and ASD have been linked to creative, deep thinking? Charles Darwin, the #1 example in this article, has been long suspected to have had Asperger's (which we classify as ASD today)[1]; and had exhibited symptoms of ADHD (one makes the other more likely)[2]. That link is only a surprise to neurotypicals.…

> Can we, for a second, remember that walking-makes-thinking-easier is a classic ADHD/ASD symptom? Is there scientific evidence supporting this link?

Yes, it's literally one of the diagnostic criteria [1].

Pacing is a form of stimming. It's something that people with ASD might need to do to feel comfortable while thinking.

There are other forms of stimming that aren't as socially acceptable, but even this one is heavily restricted in a school setting.

A child that gets up to pace around the classroom to think better will be reprimanded; the option to take a walk outside is outright not available.

This is why raising awareness is important. It costs nothing to allow people who need to walk while thinking to do just that, yet the society disallows it.

[1] https://www.healthline.com/health/autism/stimming

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