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The Coronavirus Is Here Forever
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#552Earlier quoted context omitted.
> such as chicken pox, once caused epidemics with massive body counts Never happened. Almost nobody ever died of chicken pox. Fear mongering like this is exactly why nobody trusts the CDC and FDA. It's all quackery.
Why would you reply with such confidence in something you clearly know nothing about? Chicken pox is caused by the varicella-zoster virus, which can certainly be fatal if contracted as an adult (i.e shingles) and never been exposed to it as a child. _Now_, most people are exposed to it when they're children, when it's much less serious, but vaccination is still the preferred method because it can still be deadly in c…
> ~6.4K people still die every year to chicken pox and shingles
Worldwide? That's a lifetime risk of 1 in 10,000 per person.
https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/vaccine-infographic.html
Before vaccination, chickenpox killed 100 people in USA per year.
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#553I like how the mainstream media is on a "live with the virus" blitz while Delta counts soar.
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#554Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It boggles my mind why there is pushback on mandating kids to wear masks in schools. It really shouldn’t if you’re an educated person who is following what scientific authorities are saying. The science here is still uncertain, but leaning towards masks for kids in schools not being worth it. See: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-maski... > At the end of May, the Centers for Disease Control an…
How is "the science here is still uncertain" an argument against masks in schools? If it turns out they are useful, wearing them will have been a good idea. If it turns out that they weren't useful, what harm has been caused? (I'm aware that there are people out there who think wearing masks for a year or two will scar children for life, but for the most part I don't think those people are arguing in good faith. The…
A year of a kids life is an eternity for them. Two is forever! You are stealing their childhood away from them to protect who, exactly? What is even the point of masking them.
Teachers have been vaccinated. Parents have been vaccinated. Kids aren’t at risk. Why this obsession with reducing cases if we took the sting out of covid?
Kids need to be children. They aren’t human shields for adults. Adults are expect to sacrifice for kids, not the other way around. Kids deserve their one and only childhood. They don’t deserve to be treated like disease vectors that need to be muzzled to make frightened parents and educators feel safe. Double so when all those adults can get a free, highly effective vaccine.
Making them mandatory is even worse. The state has no right to force my kid to wear a mask at school in order to have an education. Parents should be making that call for their own kid.
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#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
The masks part is easy.. it has no effect.. We have been on and off masks here in Denmark, and it seems to have no effect on spread. Also mostly you get covid when not wearing one.. from a family member or a friend..
Isn’t this a contradiction? “Masks don’t work” and then in the next paragraph “mostly you get COVID when not wearing [a mask]”
I think this works like condom statistics, where the statistic is that they are 98% effective, but that statistic includes people who go "we normally wear condoms, but we didn't that one time and she got pregnant" as a condom failure.
So basically, the masks are effective, but people take the masks off around family and friends and if one of their friends or family has COVID they will pass it on during the unmasked time.
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#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It boggles my mind why there is pushback on mandating kids to wear masks in schools. It really shouldn’t if you’re an educated person who is following what scientific authorities are saying. The science here is still uncertain, but leaning towards masks for kids in schools not being worth it. See: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-maski... > At the end of May, the Centers for Disease Control an…
Long-term we should just adopt the practice of wearing one if you're symptomatic. It helps reduce spread. This is what Asia started doing after SARS. It's considered a courtesy, just as we consider it a courtesy to cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing.
Japan kept doing it after Spanish Flu.
Unfortunately, given that 1910s America and 2020s America both had significant (and in my mind, unwarranted) resistance to wearing face masks; I would not be surprised if "wear a mask if you feel sick" fails to make it into common understanding in America a second time.
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#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, there's no way to figure out the effectiveness of vaccines from the data? Then how?
It would have to be a multivariate analysis. That's sort of the problem with x over y analysis - the question presupposes a very narrow range of answers. There are good reasons to believe the vaccines help, but you don't want to beg the question when you start the analysis.
> you might have heard about studies from Israel claiming that vaccine efficacy has dropped by some 60%
Yes, I heard it. 60% is not a constant, the effectiveness keeps dropping over time. So what gives? In country A, everybody has to take a vaccine every 5-6 months with lockdowns in between, while another country doesn't bother vaccinating, and life returns to normal? Is this what you expect from the vaccine?
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#558There is lots of competition for the top of the stupidity list. NYC locking down all summer and then 'opening up' in September seemed top of the list to me. It's not that I thought they should have stayed locked down the entire time, its that they should have opened in the summer so they could lock down in the winter if they really needed it. But seriously though, locking down in the summer to only open up in flu sea…
Blaming the US Southern border for coronavirus spread is a racist and Republican (anti-immigration excuse-making) trope.
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#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It boggles my mind why there is pushback on mandating kids to wear masks in schools. It really shouldn’t if you’re an educated person who is following what scientific authorities are saying. The science here is still uncertain, but leaning towards masks for kids in schools not being worth it. See: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-maski... > At the end of May, the Centers for Disease Control an…
Have you looked at the actual report and not the anti-vax site summation of the report? >. The 21% lower incidence in schools that required mask use among students was not statistically significant compared with schools where mask use was optional. I'm not sure how 21% lower is considered "not statistically significant", in trying to suppress the spread, ANYTHING > 0% is helpful. Full stop. Other stand out qualifiers…
I'm not sure how 21% lower is considered "not statistically significant", in trying to suppress the spread, ANYTHING > 0% is helpful. Full stop.
1) Is your government adopting a comprehensives and realistic plan to achieve zero covid? (Such a policy must include 100% international travel shut-down, zero exceptions. If there are exceptions, your government does not have a zero covid policy.)
2) Is ICU or hospital usage approaching capacity in your area?
If the answer to those questions is both "no" (as it is in my jurisdiction which is requiring school kids to mask) then your statement is not true. A 21% lower incident rate is not helpful at all, everyone will still all get exposed to covid eventually.
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#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
At some point prior to saturation, hospitals and the public deserve to have unvaccinated COVID-19 patients (without a medical reason) turned away. We can do one of two things as communities: (1) Mandate vaccination for everyone, and provide everyone care (2) Allow everyone the freedom to remain unvaccinated, and limit care There's no other "normal" world where a highly communicable disease that causes a sufficient nu…
No. Everyone deserves medical care, even if you and I consider the decisions that led to that care to be illogical. You are proposing a slippery slope. Currently you could say that we should turn the unvaccinated away but why not the obese? If someone is obese, generally it is a personal choice much like the unvaccinated. What about homosexuals that contract AIDS. I am all for vaccines and I even support businesses r…
Yes. Everything about health insurance (which is what we're basically talking about) is a slippery slope.
Our health care system is unsustainable. And it's unsustainable because of one very simple reason: we want people to have absolute freedom and an absolute right to emergency care.
I don't think those two are compatible. I don't think they've ever been, but historically that contradiction has been papered over with others' money (either in the form of your insurance premiums or your tax dollars).
Cue present situation.
We have a scenario where there is a (1) free, (2) available, (3) well-tolerated, (4) effective preventative option in vaccines.
If someone chooses to remain unvaccinated, without medical reason, that is a pure personal choice.
And moreover, unlike in normal scenarios, their making that choice directly burdens everyone else.
Economically, through damage to normal economic functioning. And medically, through consuming limited hospital capacity.
These arguments could be made for other conditions (e.g. obesity), but in a much murkier and more tortured manner. COVID is crystal clear: if you can be vaccinated, and you choose not to be, you are imposing a greater burden on society.
Last I heard, the anti-vax crowd was big on personal responsibility. So why shouldn't individuals pay that debt of their own making?