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Post by bmitc »

abc_lisper wrote: post #74
ModernMech wrote: post #30

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Yes. This is exactly what LIDAR is for. This is the reason every single team in the 2007 DARPA Urban challenge that finished the race was equipped with a Velodyne laser. We knew it was a critical enabling technology 14 years ago, and it baffles me Tesla is eschewing it. Tesla's lack of this technology is the main reason I feel they will never achieve what they claim to without a huge breakthrough in AI.

Idk.. animals seem to do fine without a lidar

...with millions (billions?) of years of evolution.

Do you know how animals do it?

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Post by fastball »

dragontamer wrote: post #164
fastball wrote: post #146

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Accurate hardware/software development timelines are an unsolved problem. To me, the question is: is the technology getting better over time? And from what I've seen I would answer that question with a resounding yes.

> Accurate hardware/software development timelines are an unsolved problem Then why is it sold as a $10,000 full self driving package?

Tesla is selling a $10k hardware package, with the promise that eventually they'll have the software to match. Musk makes lots of optimistic predictions which are not hard deadlines. There is no actual guaranteed timeline in the terms that come along with the FSD package, AFAIK. It is made explicit that the software required to utilize the hardware you are purchasing is not ready yet.

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Post by blahblahblogger »

ScionOfDesign wrote: post #132
blahblahblogger wrote: post #129

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Honest Q for anyone here, how is Tesla's software-eng culture? I've of course heard of people on the ground floor of Tesla (factory workers) not being treated well, I've heard of SpaceX employees having high churn as they get "burnt through", and of Elon being kind of an ass. But having said that I have a Tesla and am one of those types that like to work on things that bring me value or that I can have some sort of t…

I did some contract work for Tesla last year over the course of ~8 months. If I were to pick a few key words it would be: High pressure, somewhat disorganized, and results-driven. It was high pressure in that there were hard deadlines, and these deadlines needed to be met. If they weren't met, you needed to have a damn good explanation for as to why they weren't met. Somewhat disorganized in that they did have a comp…

Thanks for the insight. At this point in my life I'm interested in WLB, sounds like engineers there may be more likely to be on the younger (in their 20s?) side of things.

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Post by whymauri »

bane wrote: post #88

Bottom line, robots coming soon. He's slowly building out the roadmap for the labor pool, transportation, communications system and so on for the colonization of Mars.

How much would you be willing to bet that any of the roadmaps you listed succeed and within which timescale? Because I'm nearly certain none of them will succeed, given they're run by Elon Musk.

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Post by tibyat »

joshuamorton wrote: post #175
panick21 wrote: post #153

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> Waymo and cruise especially, but even a number of others, have demonstrated better autonomy than Tesla. Have they? They have a different approach where they focus huge effort on individual Geo-fenced locations and they both are losing 100M of $ every year. Neither has given any timeline for general availability in all locations. The race, as far as I am concerned is still open. It is not at all clear to me that Way…

> They have a different approach where they focus huge effort on individual Geo-fenced locations Where they actually have driverless vehicles. That's the key difference. Waymo and cruise have demonstrated driverless vehicles. People get driverless taxi rides today from waymo, and I think cruise as well. Tesla doesn't. It's still sitting in driver assist land and isn't particularly better than other luxury vehicle dri…

Then this would be a wonderful place to put your ego down and better explain what point you were making, because that's how "hasn't gotten that much closer" reads.

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Post by dragontamer »

fastball wrote: post #182
dragontamer wrote: post #164

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> Accurate hardware/software development timelines are an unsolved problem Then why is it sold as a $10,000 full self driving package?

Tesla is selling a $10k hardware package, with the promise that eventually they'll have the software to match. Musk makes lots of optimistic predictions which are not hard deadlines. There is no actual guaranteed timeline in the terms that come along with the FSD package, AFAIK. It is made explicit that the software required to utilize the hardware you are purchasing is not ready yet.

And what are the chances that the $5k hardware packages they sold in 2016 are up to the challenge, when these $10k hardware packages they have are a few orders of magnitude faster?

Same thing come 2026: Tesla will almost surely have new hardware for that time, and I'm willing to bet that FSD still will be a vaporware product and incomplete. If it happened over the past 5 years, history tends to repeat and I can make the same bet will happen in 5 years into the future.

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Post by ScionOfDesign »

blahblahblogger wrote: post #183
ScionOfDesign wrote: post #132

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I did some contract work for Tesla last year over the course of ~8 months. If I were to pick a few key words it would be: High pressure, somewhat disorganized, and results-driven. It was high pressure in that there were hard deadlines, and these deadlines needed to be met. If they weren't met, you needed to have a damn good explanation for as to why they weren't met. Somewhat disorganized in that they did have a comp…

Thanks for the insight. At this point in my life I'm interested in WLB, sounds like engineers there may be more likely to be on the younger (in their 20s?) side of things.

Sorry, didn't see this, but actually the ones I was around were often late 20's to mid 30's. Often had kids and a family. They were just very dedicated to Tesla.
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