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The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by anonymouse008 »

outside1234 wrote: post #229
h3cate wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unpopular opinion but as countries get majority vaccinated they have to learn to not be as scared of it.

I don't think that's unpopular. More precisely, once the vaccine is available to all age groups, the only people that need to be scared of it are the unvaccinated. And they will have had every opportunity to get vaccinated, so we shouldn't optimize for them.

> the only people that need to be scared of it are the unvaccinated

We often overlook those who were previously infected. I believe this is a common mistake that makes for inaccurate groupings, which negatively affect the common good.

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Post by dont__panic »

jrockway wrote: post #163
cm2187 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

Maybe "mask requirements" are a sign of society advancing? There was a time in human history when we didn't bathe regularly, or brush our teeth, or have sewage removal systems in cities, etc. Maybe the next step is "you know, breathing in particles that came from the other 600 people in this railcar is not so great". I certainly don't see a reason to go maskless on public transportation in the future. And, as supply…

Curious what kind of design workarounds we'll see for really hot and/or humid regions -- where I live, it's pretty comfortable to wear a mask 90% of the time. But where my parents live, it's a very different story: hot, humidity 90%+ a lot of the time, often rainy, few places have A/C. Wearing a mask is a lot less pleasant there and I suspect that's part of why mask mandates have seen resistance there.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by jjoonathan »

mwint wrote: post #246
greyivy wrote: post #239

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Not the immunocompromised or those who are legitimately unable to get vaccinated? Not a very nuanced take.

What can we do for those people, assuming forever-lockdowns aren’t an option?

Pressure those who choose to go unvaccinated for misguided "personal freedom" reasons to reconsider their choices.

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Post by switch007 »

001spartan wrote: post #145
qwerty456127 wrote: post #95

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I'm almost sure 100% vaccination rate with the vaccines currently available won't change much. I hope I'm wrong. But there already are cases apparently confirming this. IMHO we should just return to normal, consider this a new kind of flu and deal with the fact it's more deadly. I always knew there is a chance a flu can kill me one day. I'm Ok with the fact the chance is higher now. My personal (apparently risky, I d…

Returning to normal is a terrible idea when COVID patients are overwhelming hospitals across the world. How can things be normal if our healthcare systems are nearing collapse? You might be willing to accept the risk of getting sick on your behalf, but by advocating a return to 'normal' before we have the capabilities to deal with this virus, you are advocating for putting even more stress on healthcare systems acros…

> COVID patients are overwhelming hospitals across the world

Extraordinary claims…

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Post by bodge5000 »

Expirat wrote: post #102
cm2187 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

> That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK Because it s not about the pandemic. It s about asserting control over population and making them obey whatever govts, ongs, big pharma or big corps come up with. A kind of a mass scale social engineering project. Edit: this btw doesn t need to be some sort of a secret group proje…

A pandemic seems like an awfully long and expensive way of doing that, especially considering they already did so before the pandemic through so many means (many of which actually make them money rather than cost them, I assume you pay taxes?)

The only group who can be said to have really profited off this is pharma. Maybe they have orchestrated the whole thing, but I'd like to see some evidence first.

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Post by heywherelogingo »

outside1234 wrote: post #229
h3cate wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unpopular opinion but as countries get majority vaccinated they have to learn to not be as scared of it.

I don't think that's unpopular. More precisely, once the vaccine is available to all age groups, the only people that need to be scared of it are the unvaccinated. And they will have had every opportunity to get vaccinated, so we shouldn't optimize for them.

To think the unvaccinated should be scared of it reveals a perspective born of mania. I'm unvaccinated, had covid last week, it's preferable to a common cold. There is no way I will bother with the so-called vaccine, which is more of a mere remedy, when covid is so insignificant to people who are healthy. If you are so unhealthy that you need the vaccine (remedy) then you have bigger concerns.

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Post by raesene9 »

sleepysysadmin wrote: post #175
dragonwriter wrote: post #153

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> But wait... Abbott is fully vaccinated. That's a huge issue. No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it. > You can't slam him banning masks and all that. Yes, you can. Even if schools weren't full of unvaccinated people, which they are, the existence o…

>No, its not. While the rates are somewhat higher with Delta, breakthrough infections were always expected. The accines reduce the probability of getting COVID with similar exposure, they don't 100% prevent it. That's not my understanding, I'm in IT and not a biologist or whatever. So perhaps you can explain to me. A vaccine is something that boosts/helps the immune system develop protection against the disease. Meas…

Also not a biologist, but on the point of vaccines and whether they prevent the disease full-stop or just reduce the risk of serious illness, that's covered in the article.

My synopsis of that was that it was not expected (by the developers of the vaccines) that it would prevent people getting the illness, but that it would considerably reduce the risk of serious infection.

Some early trial results raised hopes that it would prevent people getting it, but with Delta that's not been borne out.

That said, in addition to reducing the risk of serious cases, it does also help reduce transmission as vaccinated people who get it, generally have less serious cases, which mean they are infectious for a smaller amount of time.

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Post by Zigurd »

h3cate wrote: post #221
rossdavidh wrote: post #36

Good article, but doesn't mention the other reason that covid-19 is never going completely away: animal reservoirs. We know that dogs, cats, hamsters, guinea pigs, mink, white-tailed deer, a gorilla, and a tiger have been found to have been infected with covid-19. It is implausible that it will ever cease to have an animal reservoir, especially given the finding in Canada of 30% of white-tailed deer having it. Of dis…

Unpopular opinion but as countries get majority vaccinated they have to learn to not be as scared of it.

That is only unpopular when it serves as an excuse for being against mitigation measures. Those same people are clogging the hospitals, diverting medications from people who genuinely need them, and raising the noise level for real advice to overcome. Everyone wants to go back to normal. The people who from the beginning were contrary just for the lulz are ruining our return to normal.

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Post by switch007 »

basisword wrote: post #257
cm2187 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

The UK dropped all restrictions with the exception of some travel related restrictions (to prevent the import of variants that could breakthrough the vaccine). Any restrictions you see in the UK are implemented by businesses/local government (e.g. masks on the tube, or in some shops).

That is fake news, sorry

The law to imprison yourself (isolate) still is very much a law.

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