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Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud Photos

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Re: Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud Photos

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Post by istingray »

aomobile wrote: post #5

Good to get these reminders that our data is in fact not private and that our computers have other owners than us..

Open source hardware and software is the only sustainable path forward.

Perhaps that DIY processor fab discussion is worth a re-read.

Edit: HN Discussion of open source phones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28164208

HN Discussion of open source laptops: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28266315

Re: Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud Photos

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Post by aomobile »

istingray wrote: post #7
aomobile wrote: post #5

Good to get these reminders that our data is in fact not private and that our computers have other owners than us..

Open source hardware and software is the only sustainable path forward. Perhaps that DIY processor fab discussion is worth a re-read. Edit: HN Discussion of open source phones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28164208 HN Discussion of open source laptops: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28266315

I mean what if apples search decides that I am suspicious? Will they unlock my keychain and give all my logins to some police or worse random people somewhere to check my stuff? Very disappointing indeed

Re: Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud Photos

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Post by YPPH »

The clear distinction being that iCloud Mail scanning doesn't happen on device.

For my part, all Apple needs to do is move CSAM scanning to the cloud. No service provider can be expected to keep images of child abuse on their servers. Apple would join myriad cloud service providers in scanning for and reporting such material.

My problem is the use of my own device to run the scan. It's a waste of system resources. Presumably, a trivial software update down the line could expand its ambit to locally stored files. And we have the issue of Apple being compelled to run searches for non-CSAM hashes.

Re: Apple already scans iCloud Mail for CSAM, but not iCloud Photos

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Post by jeroenhd »

istingray wrote: post #6

"Privacy is a human right" really does seem like it was only an advertising slogan. When Apple says "privacy" they seem to have only meant from advertisers and hackers. I'm surprised and disappointed.

I've honestly always interpreted their privacy activism that way. Apple acts as the warden of your data. Backups are encrypted for your privacy, but they hold a copy of the key. Traffic is obfuscated through fake Tor, but they manage the network. iMessage seems safe enough, but the source code is tightly sealed away, only accessible to Apple's eyes.

It's still a valid way to advertise the company because I trust Apple more than I trust Google or Microsoft, who are Apple's biggest competitors. I'd much rather use Apple's cloud integration than Google's or Microsoft's within their operating systems as well.

But don't think they don't have any data on you. Apple knows about as much about you as Google, but Apple keeps the data to themselves instead of selling access to advertisers. Always consider the possibility that the Apple four years down the line might not have the same ideals as the Apple of today or yesterday. We've seen Microsoft slide from a "you pay money, we give you software" to a "free software if you hand us your data" model and there's no reason why Apple couldn't choose to do the same.

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