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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

rpadovani wrote: post #52

cm2187 wrote: post #30

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No restriction? You will have a nasty surprise if you return from a red list country. Plus mandatory covid tests before and after returning to the UK. Plus mandatory face masks in public transports. Plus mandatory self-quarantine if you are pinged by the NHS app. Many companies have not returned to the office. We are not back to normal.

> Plus mandatory face masks in public transports. I really hope this will stay forever, or at least until people don't learn to stay home when they get a cold

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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Expirat » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

> That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK

Because it s not about the pandemic. It s about asserting control over population and making them obey whatever govts, ongs, big pharma or big corps come up with. A kind of a mass scale social engineering project.

Edit: this btw doesn t need to be some sort of a secret group project. It can rise naturally and decentralized among many connected decision groups(govts, academia, big corps, etc) which already happened.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by firecall » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

hcurtiss wrote: post #66

alphager wrote: post #37

> close to full vaccination, like the UK. Why do people not consider kids younger than 12yo as part of the population? MILLIONS of kids can't be vaccinated yet (but will hopefully come december). Any talk of lifting restrictions before march is basically a re-formulated "fuck the kids".

Except that in kids COVID is about as lethal as the ordinary flu. It’s more transmissible, but the number of kids we’ve seen suffer serious consequences across the US has been very, very low. We don’t make kids wear helmets everywhere they go, though it would be decidedly more efficacious from a safety perspective. It seems to me some relativity is in order.

This is outdated information.

Delta strain is worse - more dangerous for kids and those under 30.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Alex3917 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

> That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK

If you get it after being vaccinated, you still have a ~20% chance of becoming disabled.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by oblio » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:41 PM UTC

HarryHirsch wrote: post #48

oblio wrote: post #10

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We'll probably do a bunch of these. Vaccines, treatment for the worst symptoms and potentially treatment against the virus itself. I think we're working on all these fronts. I wonder how much we'll change/have to change our behavior long term, for example 10 years from now. I'd imagine not much.

I wonder how much we'll change/have to change our behavior long term, for example 10 years from now. I'd imagine not much. I'd say it's the exact opposite. It's known that immunity against coronaviruses isn't long-lasting (look at the Rev Jackson and his wife, both of whom were vaccinated early this year and are now in hospital) and that antiviral treatment needs to start early (does everyone really want to do a PCR…

What we should do and what we'll do will be very different.

5 years of reduced socialization will turn a large percentage of the population into nervous wrecks.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by colordrops » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:41 PM UTC

jcrben wrote: post #85

colordrops wrote: post #50

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No it's not. There's still no evidence that there is any real risk to children. Please prove otherwise. Anecdotes and one in a million cases don't count.

Nearly 300 hospitalized per day, nearly 500 dead so far. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/07/health/children-covid-19-prot... Unknown how many will long-term health effects. Even seemingly innocuous viruses like Epstein-Barr are tied to various health problems later in life. Why should we knowingly expose an entire generation to a little understood virus?

So less than one in a million children hospitalized per day. And 500 dead after almost two years is nothing, sorry to be so blunt.

You can say epstein-barr, I can say other corona viruses like the cold virus. You can't just choose an arbitrary virus to compare to. We need strong evidence of serious risk to impose such restrictions, and not ungrounded fear which is not backed by data.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by HarryHirsch » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:41 PM UTC

leoedin wrote: post #97

HarryHirsch wrote: post #64

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Israel has close to full vaccination, yet cases are going up because immunity is falling again and there are new variants. It's understandable why the restrictions are back again.

But what's the end goal? Do we keep lockdown restrictions forever? The case fatality rate for a vaccinated population is really low. There must be an acceptable level - after all we don't lock down for other endemic viruses which also have non-zero CFRs. What is it? Have we reached it?

We'll have to have some restrictions in place for the highest-risk activities. I really wouldn't want to give introductory lectures in a room that seats 250 people and has been in use all day and then find out, like the Reverend Jackson, that the vaccine protection has worn off.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by argvargc » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:41 PM UTC

HarryHirsch wrote: post #93

argvargc wrote: post #28

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And despite killing ten times as many people as COVID, these changes were achieved without destroying small businesses and jobs, plunging millions into poverty (and likely later starvation), gross human rights violations and police brutality, and reintroduction of segregation into previously free democratic societies. (Just like with all other communicable diseases of modern times.) Go us.

You have to give it to the homosexuals - they started using condoms and shut down the clubs where you would have sex with ten different men every night. Meanwhile, in large tracts of the country we are still arguing if masks are a good idea.

Well that comparison might make sense if the masks were made of latex.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by fatfox » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:41 PM UTC

wongarsu wrote: post #57

cm2187 wrote: post #16

That's why I don't really understand why there are still covid restrictions in countries that are close to full vaccination, like the UK. There isn't really a next step after having vaccinated the population, it is "steady state". So do they want us to have these restrictions (countries you can't travel to, endless testing, mask requirements) forever?

The vaccination rate in the UK is 67%. A year ago the estimate was that we need about a 75% vaccination rate to reach herd immunity, and I doubt that the new mutations have pushed that number down.

Yes, with the Delta variant herd immunity seems out of reach according to experts, as vaccines can't completely stop transmission:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/delta-variant-...

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/herd-immu...

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by MatteoFrigo » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

jcrben wrote: post #85

colordrops wrote: post #50

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No it's not. There's still no evidence that there is any real risk to children. Please prove otherwise. Anecdotes and one in a million cases don't count.

Nearly 300 hospitalized per day, nearly 500 dead so far. https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/07/health/children-covid-19-prot... Unknown how many will long-term health effects. Even seemingly innocuous viruses like Epstein-Barr are tied to various health problems later in life. Why should we knowingly expose an entire generation to a little understood virus?

CNN is fake news. Stop spreading misinformation.

Raw mortality data at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ show no discernible increase in mortality for children 0-14 in England (or anywhere else for that matter).