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Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by bildung »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #21
alistairSH wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many communities in the US actively cripple their public schools via poor funding (and then send their kids to private schools, leaving only the poor behind).

It’s complicated by the fact that if you do give the public schools money, they spend it on $10 million football facilities for 15 year olds, this is what happened in our community.

No idea about the specific situation in the US, but in my experience these kinds of distortions are almost always because said public school can only get the 10M for sports facilities because there is a specific fund for exactly this but not general school funding. The school then applies for it anyway because that means they can divert 100k or some other paltry share of said funds to be used for general school equipment etc.

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by tester34 »

imacerealkiller wrote: post #16
reacharavindh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is precisely why Education should not be treated as a business. If Education was free for every citizen, it does a lot to bring equality of opportunity (it does not fix all of the damages from discrimination, but aids significantly in recovery). So is healthcare. Having experienced education and healthcare in USA and Denmark, I cannot believe such extremes exist in the same world. It blows my mind that the wealt…

Even if education is free, having time to study is also a luxury we take for granted. Going to university means a few more years of them not being able to work full-time and contribute to the household income. But for sure, if education was free it would improve access to education and restore some balance.

>Going to university means a few more years of them not being able to work full-time and contribute to the household income. But for sure, if education was free it would improve access to education and restore some balance.

In Poland you can attend higher edu institutions on weekends and work meanwhile.

It often costs you like 1.x * minimal wage per semester, thus in total like 17K PLN for bachelor/engineering degree (3.5 years).

I did it, those a few years will be hard for you when it comes to free time, but I think it's decent trade off, especially if your job is already related to what you're studying, so this way you can have both: degree and work experience.

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by nceqs3 »

reacharavindh wrote: post #10
imacerealkiller wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it takes a long time to undo the damage such profound discrimination causes yes and for many, the damage is irreversible. Denied access to education is also a big factor Blacks face. If you are unable to study and get a good education, you can't work a decent job. It's then harder for you to let your children study to tertiary level as you might need them to step out to work earlier to contribute to the house, and t…

This is precisely why Education should not be treated as a business. If Education was free for every citizen, it does a lot to bring equality of opportunity (it does not fix all of the damages from discrimination, but aids significantly in recovery). So is healthcare. Having experienced education and healthcare in USA and Denmark, I cannot believe such extremes exist in the same world. It blows my mind that the wealt…

Denmark just passed a law that limits the number of non-white people in a neighborhood.

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by lotsofpulp »

nceqs3 wrote: post #33
reacharavindh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is precisely why Education should not be treated as a business. If Education was free for every citizen, it does a lot to bring equality of opportunity (it does not fix all of the damages from discrimination, but aids significantly in recovery). So is healthcare. Having experienced education and healthcare in USA and Denmark, I cannot believe such extremes exist in the same world. It blows my mind that the wealt…

Denmark just passed a law that limits the number of non-white people in a neighborhood.

Source?

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by imacerealkiller »

tester34 wrote: post #32
imacerealkiller wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if education is free, having time to study is also a luxury we take for granted. Going to university means a few more years of them not being able to work full-time and contribute to the household income. But for sure, if education was free it would improve access to education and restore some balance.

>Going to university means a few more years of them not being able to work full-time and contribute to the household income. But for sure, if education was free it would improve access to education and restore some balance. In Poland you can attend higher edu institutions on weekends and work meanwhile. It often costs you like 1.x * minimal wage per semester, thus in total like 17K PLN for bachelor/engineering degree…

This sounds like a great system and more countries should implement this. In Singapore (where I'm born), there's night classes/part-time degrees for people who need to work. It would be wonderful if more countries recognized the need for flexible studying options like Poland.

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by lotsofpulp »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #30
mnw21cam wrote: post #23

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Sounds like fear to me.

Not to excuse racism in any way, shape or form. But I think that fear and racism are quite tightly connected.

The fear that you and your tribe’s quality of life will go down if resources, especially hours of low paid labor, were more equally distributed?

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by reacharavindh »

nceqs3 wrote: post #33
reacharavindh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is precisely why Education should not be treated as a business. If Education was free for every citizen, it does a lot to bring equality of opportunity (it does not fix all of the damages from discrimination, but aids significantly in recovery). So is healthcare. Having experienced education and healthcare in USA and Denmark, I cannot believe such extremes exist in the same world. It blows my mind that the wealt…

Denmark just passed a law that limits the number of non-white people in a neighborhood.

I'd be shocked if it were true. Where did you see such a law?

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by reacharavindh »

NateEag wrote: post #13
reacharavindh wrote: post #10

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This is precisely why Education should not be treated as a business. If Education was free for every citizen, it does a lot to bring equality of opportunity (it does not fix all of the damages from discrimination, but aids significantly in recovery). So is healthcare. Having experienced education and healthcare in USA and Denmark, I cannot believe such extremes exist in the same world. It blows my mind that the wealt…

The US public school system is "no additional charge" - you have to pay taxes to help fund it regardless of whether you use it, but you do not have to pay anything beyond those taxes for your children to attend. It may not be much good , but that's a different question.

True, there is a public school system in the US. I missed to recognise it. As you say, whether or not it is sufficient is another debate.

When I wrote my comment, my thoughts were around higher education though - not primary, middle and high schools. The ones like college education and higher education where people pay through the roof and rack up debts that stay with them for decades.

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by oogali »

cirrus-clouds wrote: post #29
noisy_boy wrote: post #6

> When Dorothy Butler Gilliam arrived at a wealthy Washington woman's 100th birthday party the doorman told her she couldn't enter via the front door. "The maid's entrance is around the back," he explained. Just reading it boils my blood.

Some examples from the UK: A few years ago (2016), a black MP (Member of Parliament) entered a members-only lift in the parliament building (House of Commons). Another MP (unamed) in the same lift told her: "This lift really isn't for cleaners." [1] More recently (September 2020), a black barrister (type of lawyer) was mistaken for a defendant three times in one day. Her experience was widely reported in the press. […

There's also this article that was linked to the original.

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54623417

Re: Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

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Post by dredmorbius »

alistairSH wrote: post #14
NateEag wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US public school system is "no additional charge" - you have to pay taxes to help fund it regardless of whether you use it, but you do not have to pay anything beyond those taxes for your children to attend. It may not be much good , but that's a different question.

Many communities in the US actively cripple their public schools via poor funding (and then send their kids to private schools, leaving only the poor behind).

"Segregation Academies", still highly prevalent across the south.

But most of these schools remain overwhelmingly white institutions, both because of their founding ethos and because tuition fees are a barrier to entry. In communities where many or most white students are sent to these private schools, the percentages of African-American students in tuition-free public schools are correspondingly elevated. For example, in Clarksdale, Mississippi, as of 2010, 92% of the students at Lee Academy were white, while 92% of the students at Clarksdale High School were black.[4] The effects of this de facto racial segregation are compounded by the unequal quality of education produced in communities where whites served by former segregation academies seek to minimize tax levies for public schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy

The evangelical movement was central to the formation, promotion, and organisation of the segregation academy movement.

https://ir.vanderbilt.edu/handle/1803/10763

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