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Contact Tracing sounds like an Orwellian nightmare.
> Contact Tracing sounds like an Orwellian nightmare George Orwell, who actually died of an infectious disease ( Tuberculosis ), being recruited posthumously to the "lets spread disease without restraint" brigade is quite low.
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> This argument does not make sense. The OP compares Sweden to its closest neighbours > +87% of the Swedish population live in urban area As do +83% +85% and +88% of the three closest neighbours OP compared Sweden. In what way does that comparison not make sense?
“but a country with very low population density” Wrong!
2. Sweden's population density is 200th on this list of 250 countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...
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It’s a historical thing. In the olden days the only way to get an education was through privately tutoring. So establishments where everyone was educated together were “public” - even though you paid to attend. Nowadays “public meaning paid” implies one of these original public schools (Harrow, Eton and the like). I went to a paid school, founded in 1513, but it wouldn’t be called “public” because it’s not one of tho…
Just on a detail, I discovered recently that there have been various official definitions of "public school" and lists of public schools, and FWIW your school probably counts as one according to those. But I agree with your main points and your explanation.
Mine wasn’t a boarding school though which probably counts for something.
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Notice the article doesn't mention countries where proper lockdown worked very well and took only around 100 days.
Victoria took 110 days of lockdown to get back to "normal" in lockdown number 2. We are now on lockdown number 6 and have spent over 200 days in lockdown. Can't go more than 5km at current have a 9pm curfew. I would not say it is working well.
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Swede here: It's complex. I'm extremely unhappy with the way the Swedish gov handled this. I see two main failures: 1. Not reacting quickly enough. Denmark and Norway reacted quickly and strongly back in early March 2020. At this critical point, Sweden's "CDC" dropped the ball in a monumental manner, and the government didn't pick it up. 2. Not protecting municipal elderly homes in a competent way, early on. This is…
I think you are forgetting two important facts that counter your arguments: 1. A significant number of Swedes were in Lombardy (northern Italy) at the time the European outbreak started there. Furthermore Sweden has at least two major companies with presence around Wuhan. So by the time government noticed the issue it was too late. 2. Elderly care employees in Sweden are basically gig workers, resulting in a huge rot…
It's so weird to see people still claiming this. Sweden has relatively few neighbors, but compare it with any of them, and it looks bad https://imgur.com/a/BlaU2SX Yes, Sweden did well compared to the EU average, but a country with very low population density, surrounded by very few neighbors that all got the virus under control very quickly has a lot of things going for it compared to the European average. The diffe…
> and it looks bad Yet they did better than the US, UK and Spain which also engaged in lockdown measures. This also fails to acknowledge that there might be a worthwhile set of cost:benefit ratios to compare your single data point against. > but it's really strange to be reading articles about how well Sweden has done. People accuse the COVID situation of being political and dividing people. I think one of the major…
I don't know about the US or Spain but the lockdown measures in the UK were halfhearted. Somehow we managed to have the worst of both worlds, the biggest economic hit in the OECD and the worst health outcomes.
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I've updated the link to a non-amp link. Details of the study can be found here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.10.21261846v...
Pretty interesting read and it does make sense intuitively. My few thoughts after skimming it that I'd like to learn more about: Does these scores correlate to scores 10 years later/etc, or should we expect these children to recover? > However, since all study visits take place in a clinical setting, parents less concerned about the pandemic, and those with strong social support networks, may have been more likely to…
"Does these scores correlate to scores 10 years later/etc, or should we expect these children to recover?"
It may sound like a silly comparison, but puppies need to be challenged and introduced to experiences in the first weeks as there is a limited window of opportunity to stimulate neural development which results in brain development. During the first eight weeks of age, skills not acquired may be lost forever.
Maybe similar to how children can easily pick up a (new) language, but learning a language at a later age is a real struggle.
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I think you are forgetting two important facts that counter your arguments: 1. A significant number of Swedes were in Lombardy (northern Italy) at the time the European outbreak started there. Furthermore Sweden has at least two major companies with presence around Wuhan. So by the time government noticed the issue it was too late. 2. Elderly care employees in Sweden are basically gig workers, resulting in a huge rot…
Why were so many Swedes in Lombardy?
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This argument does not make sense. 1) +87% of the Swedish population live in urban area. ( https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subje... ) 2) Switzerland which is higher density has almost the same excess death rate (on your image) 3) France which had very strict and long lockdown (and killed/subsidized heavily its economy) has also almost the same figures. As many have said, one of the major factor…
While I don't doubt you have Swedish family, I would like to see your data for the French economy being "killed". Certainly the economy contracted somewhat, but they seem to be doing just fine now.
Do you really think the economy only "contracted somewhat"?
Can we trust any statistics from people that depend on them to be good?
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This argument does not make sense. 1) +87% of the Swedish population live in urban area. ( https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subje... ) 2) Switzerland which is higher density has almost the same excess death rate (on your image) 3) France which had very strict and long lockdown (and killed/subsidized heavily its economy) has also almost the same figures. As many have said, one of the major factor…
While I don't doubt you have Swedish family, I would like to see your data for the French economy being "killed". Certainly the economy contracted somewhat, but they seem to be doing just fine now.
Also "just fine" is still not pre-pandemic levels so we'll have to see in a year or two.