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Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

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Post by ghoward »

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #50
ghoward wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're about as wrong as me. > The vaccine is safe. How can we know that without long-term studies? > It works. Yet its effectiveness is decreasing with each new variant. > And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. COVID is endemic now. Nothing will "end" the pandemic. > You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money. They're all been paid...right? You getting a shot doesn't get them any r…

> How can we know that without long-term studies? It's unbelievably well tested. Pfizer and Moderna have minimal side effects compared even yo the most mild of COVID cases. You're saying that you're ok with extreme covid symptoms (permeant reduced lung capacity, significant loss of taste and smell, permeant brain fog) but not ok with a vaccine that's proven safe in hundreds of millions of people? That's just bad risk…

> It's unbelievably well tested.

Not long term. Sorry, but you simply are not going to convince me on this one.

It's heavily tested, but not well tested. There is a difference.

> Wrong. The supply is already created. It's already been paid for by the federal government. Your individual demand is irrelevant.

If it's already been paid for, then either a lot are going to waste, because they expire, or they are going somewhere else, which means my individual demand, while tiny, is not irrelevant.

> If you're unvaccinated, then you are still hurting others by being a vector for (1) incubating the virus and thus spreading it and (2) being a petri dish for deadly mutation to evolve.

The vaccinated are vectors and petri dishes too. A virus is going to virus.

> And if you did actually already have COVID (and not a cold or any number of other diseases that are mild and share some COVID symptoms), then getting better antibodies would be a good thing. No logic as to why you would not want to increase your immune systems' effectiveness.

Because the vaccines may actually not increase the effectiveness of my immune system and may give me extra health problems. There is a logic, and you appear to not have read my blog post about it.

Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

#52

Post by ghoward »

room505 wrote: post #48
ghoward wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're about as wrong as me. > The vaccine is safe. How can we know that without long-term studies? > It works. Yet its effectiveness is decreasing with each new variant. > And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. COVID is endemic now. Nothing will "end" the pandemic. > You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money. They're all been paid...right? You getting a shot doesn't get them any r…

You might be a little misdirected in your thinking and encourage you to listen to Public Health On Call by John Hopkins. https://johnshopkinssph.libsyn.com/

Before I listen to that, answer me this: did you read my blog post?

Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

#53

Post by dredmorbius »

analog31 wrote: post #35
h2odragon wrote: post #19

> hydrogen sulfide from water pumped in from the Lower Floridan Aquifer. Those who have not experienced Florida water do not recognize just how big a deal that is. The water is "potable", sure, but it's viciously stinky. Some people can't adapt to it at all. I've known people who lost livestock they imported, because it couldn't adapt to the water.

Can you let the water sit for awhile to get rid of the stink?

That's not as effective as other methods.

Aeration, oxidation, and ion treatments seem most commonly used.

https://extension.psu.edu/hydrogen-sulfide-rotten-egg-odor-i...

Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

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Post by dredmorbius »

YakBizzarro wrote: post #13
eurasiantiger wrote: post #7

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Better yet, couldn’t you use electricity to break up some water molecules, so sulfide oxidation happens in situ? As an extra bonus, hydrogen fuel.

Why would you do so when you have for free in the air? Then you would need the same amount of energy and the same process to make it liquid, since it's very impractical and dangerous to store and move high pressure oxigen

"Free in the air" is not pure in the air.

As noted, the ozone process requires high-purity O2 as source stock. That's recovered from atmospheric air through one of several processes. My understanding is that cryogenic seperattion is the principle method (it's a bit like fractional distillation, but in reverse, seperating air into its constituent gasses based on their liquification temperatures).

There's also pressure-swing absorption and membrane technology (differential diffusion), as well as by-product availability from other processes (e.g., nitrogen production).

See:

https://www.aceee.org/files/proceedings/2007/data/papers/78_...

(I've known all this longer than you have. By as much as five minutes.)

Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

#55

Post by SevenSigs »

tgtweak wrote: post #30
SevenSigs wrote: post #21

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I solved the problem with this: https://www.amazon.com/Injection-manganese-Removal-Oxidizing... ... works really well and requires little/no maintenance for the first few years. Before that I had a chlorine injection system and it was a nightmare (maintenance-wise).

Very cool solution. I know many people that spent an extra $15k to drill 200+ft deep wells into the aquifer just to avoid the sulphur smell in the water from shallow wells. This would be a very cost effective workaround.

Did the 200ft deep well fix the issue in all cases?

Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

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Post by room505 »

ghoward wrote: post #52
room505 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be a little misdirected in your thinking and encourage you to listen to Public Health On Call by John Hopkins. https://johnshopkinssph.libsyn.com/

Before I listen to that, answer me this: did you read my blog post?

Yes. I feel the points you make still seem off or misguided. But I can understand the hesitancy.

Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

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Post by tgtweak »

SevenSigs wrote: post #55
tgtweak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very cool solution. I know many people that spent an extra $15k to drill 200+ft deep wells into the aquifer just to avoid the sulphur smell in the water from shallow wells. This would be a very cost effective workaround.

Did the 200ft deep well fix the issue in all cases?

Yeah the aquifer is sulfer-free but the surface water smells of sulphur in most areas.

Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations

#58

Post by malcolmgreaves »

ghoward wrote: post #51
malcolmgreaves wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can we know that without long-term studies? It's unbelievably well tested. Pfizer and Moderna have minimal side effects compared even yo the most mild of COVID cases. You're saying that you're ok with extreme covid symptoms (permeant reduced lung capacity, significant loss of taste and smell, permeant brain fog) but not ok with a vaccine that's proven safe in hundreds of millions of people? That's just bad risk…

> It's unbelievably well tested. Not long term. Sorry, but you simply are not going to convince me on this one. It's heavily tested, but not well tested. There is a difference. > Wrong. The supply is already created. It's already been paid for by the federal government. Your individual demand is irrelevant. If it's already been paid for, then either a lot are going to waste, because they expire, or they are going som…

> The vaccinated are vectors and petri dishes too. A virus is going to virus.

Ok........you don't understand how antibodies & viral replication work. Please learn from people who are more knowledgeable than you and stop playing around. People are dying. People are being hurt. It's not an academic game.

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