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The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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Re: The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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Notice the article doesn't mention countries where proper lockdown worked very well and took only around 100 days.

And what, pray tell is a “proper lockdown”? I hardly think NZ and AU are places to copy.

Why not NZ?

We're in our 2nd 'level 4' lockdown in 18 months. The economy is doing fine and for most of that 18 months we were living completely normally. We have record low case numbers and deaths.

Re: The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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> The Telegraph is essentially the mouthpiece of the British commercial property landlord classes, who have a vested interest in getting people back into the offices and shops in their portfolios. I'm curious, how does it work in reality? A boardroom meetings where landlord's representative decide what to publish in the next issue to get people into commercial property? A weekly reviews of editors where they have the…

Marriage and friendship networks. Particularly those formed in the public school (“public” means paid in UK) system. I doubt it’s official meetings, but rather discussions outside work.

How are public schools paid in the UK? Does that mean private schools are the free schools? Or do they call free public schools something else?

Re: The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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It's so weird to see people still claiming this. Sweden has relatively few neighbors, but compare it with any of them, and it looks bad https://imgur.com/a/BlaU2SX Yes, Sweden did well compared to the EU average, but a country with very low population density, surrounded by very few neighbors that all got the virus under control very quickly has a lot of things going for it compared to the European average. The diffe…

In this case the neighbouring countries arent great comparators. Population density has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread. Large swaths of the country is empty with the populace being very urbanised. Stockholm has a population density on par with London, and Oslo is about half of that. Also households look very different in Sweden compared to it's neighbours. The average household size is among the lowest in the…

>The Swedish CDC also says they believe they've fared worse than Norway and Denmark because the last few flu seasons were very mild in the country.

It's called the 'dry tinder' hypothesis, and it isn't born out when researchers look at the data, e.g.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34213362/

Re: The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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What "excess 10k dead"? Sweden basically only reported excess mortality in early 2020 and since then it has a mortality deficit.

Sweden has ~14k official COVID deaths. Neighbouring Norway, at half the population and a moderate lockdown/PPE policy, has ~800 COVID deaths. The culture, climate, population density and demographics are very close. All these extra Swedes died for sheer ineptitude of their government. There's hardly any difference in economic impact either.

Covid deaths aren't the same as "excess deaths". It's just one of many causes of deaths over a year. Excess deaths is the difference between expected (typically an average of the past 5 years) and actual number of deaths in a year. IOW, due to the circumstances, excess deaths can be 0 despite Covid deaths being > 0.

Re: The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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What "excess 10k dead"? Sweden basically only reported excess mortality in early 2020 and since then it has a mortality deficit.

I’m genuinely curious: Couldn’t a quick Google give you this data? Where did you get your position from? Lots of folks have post fact information these days, based on FB articles and other sources, but how did you end up with yours as a long time user here?

I am not sure what parts of my post you have issues with.

https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/news-and-press-releases/exces...

Re: The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notice the article doesn't mention countries where proper lockdown worked very well and took only around 100 days.

And what, pray tell is a “proper lockdown”? I hardly think NZ and AU are places to copy.

the states that do actual hard and fast lockdowns do well. See WA, QLD, NT, SA.

Re: The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to mental health, healthier economy

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Marriage and friendship networks. Particularly those formed in the public school (“public” means paid in UK) system. I doubt it’s official meetings, but rather discussions outside work.

How are public schools paid in the UK? Does that mean private schools are the free schools? Or do they call free public schools something else?

It’s a historical thing.

In the olden days the only way to get an education was through privately tutoring.

So establishments where everyone was educated together were “public” - even though you paid to attend.

Nowadays “public meaning paid” implies one of these original public schools (Harrow, Eton and the like).

I went to a paid school, founded in 1513, but it wouldn’t be called “public” because it’s not one of those original schools and therefore not high enough in the class system. It would be called “private”.

“Public as in free to attend” schools are known as state schools.

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The Telegraph is essentially the mouthpiece of the British commercial property landlord classes, who have a vested interest in getting people back into the offices and shops in their portfolios. On an average day you'll notice multiple anti-remote working articles parroted by Cabinet ministers. Why should they care how businesses conduct their business, especially if it's more convenient and can lead to a happier and…

> The Telegraph is essentially the mouthpiece of the British commercial property landlord classes, who have a vested interest in getting people back into the offices and shops in their portfolios. I'm curious, how does it work in reality? A boardroom meetings where landlord's representative decide what to publish in the next issue to get people into commercial property? A weekly reviews of editors where they have the…

You know in an interview loop where you consider "culture fit?" That's it. That's the conspiracy.

For a journalism job at the Telegraph you're going to need to have a resume where you've written the right kinds of articles with the right kind of tone. Have a bunch of articles that you've written sympathetic to Corbyn and those around him and you ain't getting the job.

They won't even need to police you that hard once you've gotten the job, because you've spent 20+ years being brought up a certain way and you're probably not going to massively deviate from your past all of a sudden, particularly not if you're clearly getting paid well based on your current trajectory. Once you get vetted in the interview process they know what they're getting based on the way you present yourself, the way you talk, your background, where you grew up, the schools you went to, etc. And when you've been there long enough you'll vet other candidates the same way.

And its largely the same kind of interpersonal mechanics that govern the formation of cliques in high school, enforced by interviews and performance reviews, with large incentives where if you conform you climb the ladder and gain more wealth and power. Nobody needs to write it all down just like there's no written rules that he art nerds tend to hang out with the art nerds (and I'm sure there's examples of people who you think you can point to who broke the molds there, but they're notable precisely because they broke the molds).

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