Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

economist.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 152 posts

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#71

Post by blitzar »

padiyar83 wrote: post #33
underwater wrote: post #30

If you want to chase a conspiracy that actually matters, go find out who is pushing the narrative that COVID is fake and vaccines are dangerous. That conspiracy is literally killing thousands of people.

I don't think that's a conspiracy. Motivations there, however misplaced they may be, are quite clear.

Bill Gates along with Soros the Rothschilds and associated Jews have created a fake global pandemic. The intention is to crash the global economy so they can force everyone into a Socialist, Globalist mono state, flooding our country with immigrants. As part of the fear they have also gotten to finally enact their plan to reduce the world population by sterilizing them with a vaccine that also contains 5g mind-control chips, the receivers of which are the real thing that are making people sick not Covid. Oh and they are going to rape all the children too.

You dont think it counts as a conspiracy?

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#72

Post by ramblerman »

ghyiihdruh wrote: post #65
ramblerman wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeking objective truth is precisely scientific. Science doesn't care if the result could be construed to be pro or anti Trump. You are speaking about science as if it is religion.

Scientists need to consider the political impact of their findings. If it will only be used to bring harm in the world it's irresponsible to share it.

Placing what you morally or politically desire to be true over the objective truth is religious dogma.

You argument is exactly the same one the Church used to prevent Copernicus's idea that the earth rotated around the sun.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#73

Post by luckylion »

asplake wrote: post #47
padiyar83 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's a conspiracy. Motivations there, however misplaced they may be, are quite clear.

Groups of people deliberately creating and spreading disinformation is by any sensible definition a conspiracy

No, it would be a conspiracy only they conspired to do so.

I don't think that's the case with most of them. There are a lot of movements coming from different backgrounds, believing in different things that are meeting at "it's not real, don't get vaccinated". The Bill-Gates-Wants-To-Kill-Us-people aren't conspiring with the Big-Pharma-Wants-A-Perpetual-Vaccine-Business-People, they just happen to come to the same conclusion ("don't do it").

From what little exposure I had to them, I think they're honest in their ideas. I believe they're wrong on most counts, but I don't think they're sitting at home scheming how to fool the masses. I'm sure there are some who seek to influence public opinion by spreading false narratives, but the large majority seems to just have lost pretty much all trust in Western governments and looks for alternative theories that explain the state of the world.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#74

Post by luckylion »

ghyiihdruh wrote: post #65
ramblerman wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeking objective truth is precisely scientific. Science doesn't care if the result could be construed to be pro or anti Trump. You are speaking about science as if it is religion.

Scientists need to consider the political impact of their findings. If it will only be used to bring harm in the world it's irresponsible to share it.

Should judges do the same?

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#75

Post by blitzar »

chucke wrote: post #69
ghyiihdruh wrote: post #58

No, it doesn't. It will only fuel anti-science sentiment all over the world and put scientists under scrutiny and attacks. We need more science, not more science attacks. It will also vindicate Trump like anti-scientists just when we need more science to tackle climate change, inequality, gender gap, and yes, search for viruses with pandemic risk due to human encroachment on wild life so we can be ready for them. Any…

So, covering up science fuck ups is legimitate because it protects science, and we need science to promote other agendas to promote other dodgy agendas which are scientifically still unproven or unprovable (I don't know how science can even explain gender gap...)?

Possibly the scariest thing I see at the moment; 'we can't say/do that as it will give fuel to the anti-vaxers'.

Antivaxers will just make shit up - properly exploring the science is not strengthening their argument, refusing to do so is strengthening their argument.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#76

Post by luckylion »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #19
cblconfederate wrote: post #13

Why? What would that change, apart from distracting everyone into another giant anti-china campaign? Would we solve covid if we knew how it came to be synthesized?

For one, we could take action to help prevent another Covid from happening. It’s really not that hard to see how it could be useful to know about the origins of Covid. Really tired of people making it about racism (or whatever) against China. And I say that as a Chinese person.

How would we make sure another Covid couldn't happen if we knew that this one stems from a lab and was intentionally released? Do we ban the creation and release of highly contagious bio-weapons? We already have, haven't we?

Do we start a nuclear war to make sure China is no more and therefore they can't do it again (but anyone else could)?

I'm not suggesting there's no use in finding out how it came to be, but unless it was some guy eating a bat and we can all agree on not doing that anymore and create a bat police to enforce that, I don't see how knowing who did it would prevent anyone else from doing it.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#77

Post by bilvar »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #44
bilvar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we just going to brush off the US’s involvement in funding WIV? And how even Fauci tried to cover that up? China is not the sole one to blame.

Well, if we are going to play the game where covert research implicates overt funding that specifically hinges on the funds not being used on such covert research (gain-of-function studies), we will definitely be barking up the wrong tree.

If there was no foul play why the fuss to cover it up then?

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#78

Post by aww_dang »

lottin wrote: post #53
switch007 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean capitalists’ addiction to profit. Double my wage, I’ll buy made in the UK/EU much more often.

If wages doubled in the UK/EU everything made in the UK/EU would instantly also become more expensive.

Unless those wage increases were the result of productivity increases.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#79

Post by aww_dang »

blitzar wrote: post #71
padiyar83 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's a conspiracy. Motivations there, however misplaced they may be, are quite clear.

Bill Gates along with Soros the Rothschilds and associated Jews have created a fake global pandemic. The intention is to crash the global economy so they can force everyone into a Socialist, Globalist mono state, flooding our country with immigrants. As part of the fear they have also gotten to finally enact their plan to reduce the world population by sterilizing them with a vaccine that also contains 5g mind-contro…

I think that's an odious and disgusting way to mischaracterize all concerns as nonsense.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

#80

Post by dTal »

luckylion wrote: post #73
asplake wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Groups of people deliberately creating and spreading disinformation is by any sensible definition a conspiracy

No, it would be a conspiracy only they conspired to do so. I don't think that's the case with most of them. There are a lot of movements coming from different backgrounds, believing in different things that are meeting at "it's not real, don't get vaccinated". The Bill-Gates-Wants-To-Kill-Us-people aren't conspiring with the Big-Pharma-Wants-A-Perpetual-Vaccine-Business-People, they just happen to come to the same co…

I think you've made a category error. We're not talking about the lost schmucks who've bought into this claptrap - we're talking about whose bright idea it was in the first place, and who's making an effort to spread it. Someone is providing those "alternative theories". You dig around a little and you find dubiously funded websites and media outlets pushing this stuff, as well as the more unsavory elements of media we call "mainstream". It's not nearly as organic as it seems, and we shouldn't let the bad actors hide behind social media as the scapegoat. "Astroturfing" is not new.

So, who benefits when Americans lose faith in their government?

Post reply on HN