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The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by radu_floricica »

cblconfederate wrote: post #13

Why? What would that change, apart from distracting everyone into another giant anti-china campaign? Would we solve covid if we knew how it came to be synthesized?

I would actually like to know exactly why I had to stay locked in my house for a couple of months while nice military men were out on the streets with big guns.

You might make a case that it would actually help, or not. I don't know. I don't particularly care, not next to the huge magnitude of wanting the tiniest bit of truth and justice.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by another_story »

White_Wolf wrote: post #15
daavidhauser wrote: post #4

why does the world need a proper investigation into that? Sometimes it seems to me that it’s just because we want someone to blame. Not because it would actually help anyone.

Because a specific category of people want to blame either China or Russia for anything without any proof. In this particular case there were reports that the virus was present in Spain and Italy before China. They seem to ignore that and keep screeching that CHina is to blame. Edit: added source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

Reports by whom? I've seen nothing of those reports.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by syshum »

White_Wolf wrote: post #10
jgb1984 wrote: post #5

I mean, isn't it yet obvious where it came from? 1 + 1 = ? We're just too interwoven with that human rights violating, genocidal communist dictatorship to speak up about it.

I think the earliest sample found of C19 was in Barcelona in march 2019(If I remember this well). 1+1=? I would say that you either want to blame someone in particular or Spain is a genocidal communist dictatorship.

Of course you you have a source for that right. All official sources I can find say the virus is traced to October or November 2019 origination on china with first cases in Spain from January 2020

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by dannyw »

suzzer99 wrote: post #7

Determining how Covid started would be extremely important imo if there was a chance its release was intentional. But every virologist take I've read suggests that the virus does not look man-made. Nor would it seem that covid's effects and behavior could have possibly been known to any usable degree without the worldwide experiment that we've all been part of the last year and a half. And finally it's really hard to…

If China accidentally released this then the world deserves to know what happened so all labs in the world can learn from it.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by tomp »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #3
zpeti wrote: post #2

Things like this usually come down to incentives. And right now I don’t see how almost any major power’s leaders have any incentive to push an investigation forwards. We are too dependent on China to piss them off, and so far experience shows we are much more likely to follow their demands than follow our own (Hollywood, NBA, Hong Kong, blizzard, albeit only one of those is geopolitical).

All the more reason to piss them off and ween off our addiction to disposable junk and sweatshop priced labor. Given the impact to the world we all should be asking difficult questions.

This is a reasonable argument and will be exactly as effective as presenting a reasonable argument to an addict is.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by darawk »

Honestly though, do we? Why?

It almost certainly wasn't man made and intentional. That's the only case we really need to know the origin story for, and I don't think anyone serious thinks that is plausible.

Otherwise, the worst case is that it was a lab accident of some kind. It'd be fun to point and blame China for it and all, but is it something we really need?

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by alau1218 »

White_Wolf wrote: post #15
daavidhauser wrote: post #4

why does the world need a proper investigation into that? Sometimes it seems to me that it’s just because we want someone to blame. Not because it would actually help anyone.

Because a specific category of people want to blame either China or Russia for anything without any proof. In this particular case there were reports that the virus was present in Spain and Italy before China. They seem to ignore that and keep screeching that CHina is to blame. Edit: added source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

This is just blatant fake news. We all know the virus first appeared in Wuhan China and then spread to the world. Please state you source before saying such an obvious lie.

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by syshum »

zpeti wrote: post #2

Things like this usually come down to incentives. And right now I don’t see how almost any major power’s leaders have any incentive to push an investigation forwards. We are too dependent on China to piss them off, and so far experience shows we are much more likely to follow their demands than follow our own (Hollywood, NBA, Hong Kong, blizzard, albeit only one of those is geopolitical).

>>We are too dependent on China to piss them off,

That seems to be a problem... No?

Maybe we should be pushing our political and business leaders to fix that. If a nation.. openly hostile to our interests is able to cause a worldwide pandemic that no one can investigate because it might upset that nations feefee's. That imo is much bigger problem than the pandemic itself

Re: The world needs a proper investigation into how Covid-19 started

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Post by sushikokk »

darawk wrote: post #26

Honestly though, do we? Why? It almost certainly wasn't man made and intentional. That's the only case we really need to know the origin story for, and I don't think anyone serious thinks that is plausible. Otherwise, the worst case is that it was a lab accident of some kind. It'd be fun to point and blame China for it and all, but is it something we really need ?

Yes.like air crash investigations, to avoid it happening again.
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