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Peer recognition works better than bonuses

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Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

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Holy shit. I haven't read anything so out of touch with reality in a long while.

From his LinkedIn:

> Bilingual business leader and entrepreneur who has made two exits.

He's a Singapore-based, business-oriented type. Nothing wrong with that, but if he's this tone deaf about what really retains and motivates high-performers, then I've got to wonder what other business and leadership aspects he's not in touch with.

Here's the real test of how valuable that peer recognition is: how much does it affect the reviews and compensation adjustment process at the majority of companies that made a big deal out of the peer recognition system? What's that, a rounding error amount or none at all? And show me the sales organization that runs on peer recognition in lieu of commission adjustments in any proportion. I thought so...

Ever since I learned to sell my own services, these kinds of proposals make me internally laugh and politely decline. That kind of BS detector has saved me a ton of hassle and time over the decades. The sales people I learned the craft from wouldn't be nearly as nice reacting to such a proposal, but I've learned not to burn bridges.

Monteiro channeling Goodfellas to Lance Ng: FYPM.

Fake Points for me and FU money for you? That's a crap deal any way you cut it, and if it smells too much for you to make it fly in sales, then it doesn't deserve the light of day anywhere else.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#32
>Peer recognition works better than bonuses

No it does not. It's a scam exposed to freshly graduated so they could 'feel' included and respected. Outside that single room it doesn't mean too much, so people fixate to their companies full junky style in the quest for the instant gratification dopamine making them cheap labor.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of compensation isn't motivation, it's retention. People seem to misunderstand that.

Some companies have optional on-call and attach danger-money to it, so that’s an example of comp being used to motivate, not retain. Surely it’s motivation if the comp is offered in exchange for the completion of some defined future work or attaining a goal? E.g. “I’ll grant you a $20k bonus if you get this project done by Monday”-kinda thing… though arguably this specific case is an example of bad management…

In the on call case, it's still about retention. They need to provide extra money for extra work, otherwise people will just go somewhere else where they get more money for more work.

Your specific example is indeed bad management, as you say. As is almost every other example of the same shape. "You will get X if you do Y" works when X is very generous, which is an expensive way to incentivise Y.

Another problem is that you have to be very consistent and always offer X for Y in the future, or people's motivation for Y will drop to lower than it was before you offered X for it.

There's been plenty of research on this so there's no need to guess. A good start is Pink's book Drive.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#34

Not a single source apart from the author's opinion, and I'm less than convinced by the argument. Recognition is necessary to a minimum degree, nno-one wants to work without ever a node or a thank you. If recognition matters more to someone in return to exceptional performance than financial incentive, I would go ahead and say that that person has ego issues. Plus too much recognition ends up being un sincere and in…

From reading the article, I think the author of the post has ego issues: "we are actually seeking satisfaction from the looks of envy and admiration that we draw from others"

Admiration maybe from someone close to me, but envy?

I do not want to create any envy in other people's mind:

- either I like/love someone, and I don't want they feel bad

- or I am indifferent, and I don't really care

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#35

To me, the article reads as if the author is fresh out of university, hopped up on a number of "we found money wasn't a motivator" studies (which are, in fact, more like "money wasn't a motivator after certain level of money has been achieved "). It's also deeply ingrained with cultural biases, such as "flaunting it" (which is highly normalized in places like Hong Kong or Singapore, but would be a lot more frowned up…

Words are cheap in all kinds of relationships. Actions always matter. Hence in the case of work relationships, it’s all about promotions, salary increases, good projects, etc.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#36
post #8

Sure, it works once or maybe even a few times. But peer recognition plus underwhelming monetary rewards will quickly make a person feel underpaid and unappreciated. So then they start polishing up their resume, which they need to do anyway, to put in all those awards they’ve been getting…

I find it all too easy for my peers to know my value while my managers are less clear. Your peers only have so much influence over raises and promotions and so over time you can end up in a bad spot.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#37

To me, the article reads as if the author is fresh out of university, hopped up on a number of "we found money wasn't a motivator" studies (which are, in fact, more like "money wasn't a motivator after certain level of money has been achieved "). It's also deeply ingrained with cultural biases, such as "flaunting it" (which is highly normalized in places like Hong Kong or Singapore, but would be a lot more frowned up…

VP: Terrific job this year, everyone gather round and give this team a round of applause, your work has single handedly saved the company.

Bonus time VP: You should see how fast my new tesla accelerates. My new house is so disorientating, all these big rooms I cant figure out what all these light switches turn on or off. Btw the bonus pool wasnt big enough to pay you much this year, but we really appreciate your efforts.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#38

Title is clickbaity, the article is more like "peer recognition and money are better than money alone" To that, I agree - bonuses are an abstract measure of the value you provide, coupling it with specific praise from your peers enhances your validation.

Bonuses are the scoreboard.

Praise from your peers are the cheers from the stands.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#39
Corporations love to use these kind of manipulations to pay workers as little as possible. Peer recognition is one of those tools along with reminders like "you are best of the best" or "you are vital part of the team and we couldn't do without your contributions". Meanwhile company made another billion off of your work and you'll call yourself lucky if you get a 10k off that billion. They are thieves.

Re: Peer recognition works better than bonuses

#40

LOL. Oh yes, let's look at the modern company and how "peer recognition" works. First 30 minutes of a meeting: CEO runs his mouth about random company shit, spits out the new workplace catchphrases he learned at whatever business leadership summer camp he went to, and pats everyone on their heads for being good girls and boys. Next 20 minutes is awards time, sleezeball sales director stands in front of everyone and h…

But non of that is _peer_ recognition. HR is not your peer, your boss is probably not your peer, your coworkers are probably your peers.

I would think that your peers are the people you socialize with. If you never had a non work-related conversation with someone, you most likely don't see them as your peer.

People pretending to be your peers, pretending to appreciate you, wont feel rewarding. But you willingly do things for the people you like and hang around with without remuneration. Is your wife, your sibliblings, or your friendly neighbour not your peers?

If you have no peers, whose recognition you appreciate, at work. Then there is something wrong with the work environment and that problem is probablh management.

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