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Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by fooey »

cartoonworld wrote: post #158
NorwegianDude wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point still stands, especially on iOS where other browsers isn't even allowed and every browser has to be basically a reskin of safari. That way others can't add features or stability, forcing developers to use the app store and give Apple a large cut. This is much more serious that the Microsoft case.

Firefox works fine on iOS

As the parent post says, Firefox on iOS isn't really Firefox. It doesn't run Gecko, it's barely more than a skin on top of Safari.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_for_iOS

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#2.5...

> 2.5.6 Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit framework and WebKit Javascript.

Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Sargos wrote: post #111
ozten wrote: post #104

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What are the more successful DAO or dapps we can study, to evaluate this model?

An example I find interesting and easy to explain is Pool Together which is a no-loss lottery where you can buy $10 in lottery tickets for a chance at a $3,000 weekly prize but if you don't win your tickets still work for the next round and even 10 rounds from now you can withdraw your full $10. It works by putting everyone's money in the same account which earns ~6% interest savings account and the winner actually g…

6% interest paid by who?

Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by wayneftw »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #157
wayneftw wrote: post #82

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Not when their platform holds the majority of users in the US and when they're colluding with the "competition".

54% is a majority, but its not a vast majority. > and when they're colluding with the "competition". Unless you have evidence for that, that's just libel.

Libel? It's directly from the material referenced by the tweets that we're talking about:

> 'After another meeting between Apple and Google senior executives, notes showed that the execs agreed: "Our vision is that we work as if we are one company."'

Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by edouard-harris »

dalbasal wrote: post #133
jakecopp wrote: post #9

> After another meeting between Apple and Google senior executives, notes showed that the execs agreed: "Our vision is that we work as if we are one company." ... > This unredacted graf shows that telcos get up to 25% of Google's app sales to keep them from developing rival app stores on the smartphones they sell and service. Insane reading.

>> 25% of Google's app sales to keep them from developing rival app stores Google also pays Apple 7 billion annually^ to be its default SE. Despite Adwords' incredible profitability, Yahoo & MSFT's experience as 2nd place in that market was working very hard and earning $0 profits... Their Revenues @ were far lower than proportional to their market share, and costs are the opposite. Better to just take your share of…

> Google also pays Apple 7 billion annually^ to be its default SE.

It's actually between $8-12 billion now. [1]

> Yahoo & MSFT's experience as 2nd place in that market was working very hard and earning $0 profits.

This is an exaggeration though. MSFT made nearly $8 billion in revenue last year from search (mostly Bing), and the business has naturally high margins so it would be extremely surprising if it was unprofitable on an operating basis. [2] The reality is that search is so huge that it's worth competing in, even if the incumbent has 30X your market share.

[1] https://twitter.com/jowens510/status/1428416856038072321

[2] https://backlinko.com/bing-users

Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by Sargos »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #162
Sargos wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An example I find interesting and easy to explain is Pool Together which is a no-loss lottery where you can buy $10 in lottery tickets for a chance at a $3,000 weekly prize but if you don't win your tickets still work for the next round and even 10 rounds from now you can withdraw your full $10. It works by putting everyone's money in the same account which earns ~6% interest savings account and the winner actually g…

6% interest paid by who?

Compound is a lending protocol so people take out collateralized loans out and pay an interest rate on that loan which is paid to the lending pool the money is deposited into.

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Post by frumper »

sandworm101 wrote: post #73
grishka wrote: post #71

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Desktop OSes aren't alternatives to mobile ones. They serve different purposes.

Except when they are. There were windows phones briefly. And linux will run on phones. And Android laptops. Such choices were not around in 2001. PC users in 2001 would have killed for the number of options available to phone users today. The 2001 decision was comparing desktop options at a time when they weren't any. Today's mobile users have plenty of options, plenty of brands and OSs to choose from.

Linux wasn’t a viable alternative to windows in 2001 and I don’t think a Linux phone would be considered a viable alternative to google or iOS. There are 2 mobile OS’s, which admittedly is twice as many as desktop OS’s in 2001. As for hardware, there were a ton of options on 2001, probably more major brands than what phones have today, that’s not even including mom and pop custom built PCs.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

wayneftw wrote: post #163
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

54% is a majority, but its not a vast majority. > and when they're colluding with the "competition". Unless you have evidence for that, that's just libel.

Libel? It's directly from the material referenced by the tweets that we're talking about: > 'After another meeting between Apple and Google senior executives, notes showed that the execs agreed: "Our vision is that we work as if we are one company."'

Which they already got busted for and had to pay fines on. If you mean they are still doing it, then provide evidence, don’t just assert its true.

Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by cartoonworld »

cartoonworld wrote: post #158
NorwegianDude wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point still stands, especially on iOS where other browsers isn't even allowed and every browser has to be basically a reskin of safari. That way others can't add features or stability, forcing developers to use the app store and give Apple a large cut. This is much more serious that the Microsoft case.

Firefox works fine on iOS

Question to downvotes:

I’ve seen people saying in these comments often that you have to use safari. I am using ff on my iOS device right now, what am I missing?

Re: Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store

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Post by wayneftw »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #167
wayneftw wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libel? It's directly from the material referenced by the tweets that we're talking about: > 'After another meeting between Apple and Google senior executives, notes showed that the execs agreed: "Our vision is that we work as if we are one company."'

Which they already got busted for and had to pay fines on. If you mean they are still doing it, then provide evidence, don’t just assert its true.

Nobody here is talking about things that Apple and Google got busted for already. Everything that we're getting today is new.
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