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EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by jtbayly »

azinman2 wrote: post #11

> As we’ve explained in Deeplinks blog posts, Apple’s planned phone-scanning system opens the door to broader abuses. It decreases privacy for all iCloud photo users, and the parental notification system is a shift away from strong end-to-end encryption. It will tempt liberal democratic regimes to increase surveillance, and likely bring even great pressures from regimes that already have online censorship ensconced i…

> It only weakens privacy for iCloud photos if you have CP or photos in a CP database

Or people who have photos that hash the same as CP.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by smoldesu »

jtbayly wrote: post #21
azinman2 wrote: post #11

> As we’ve explained in Deeplinks blog posts, Apple’s planned phone-scanning system opens the door to broader abuses. It decreases privacy for all iCloud photo users, and the parental notification system is a shift away from strong end-to-end encryption. It will tempt liberal democratic regimes to increase surveillance, and likely bring even great pressures from regimes that already have online censorship ensconced i…

> It only weakens privacy for iCloud photos if you have CP or photos in a CP database Or people who have photos that hash the same as CP.

Or possess tampered photos that were engineered to be a hash collision.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by relax88 »

azinman2 wrote: post #11

> As we’ve explained in Deeplinks blog posts, Apple’s planned phone-scanning system opens the door to broader abuses. It decreases privacy for all iCloud photo users, and the parental notification system is a shift away from strong end-to-end encryption. It will tempt liberal democratic regimes to increase surveillance, and likely bring even great pressures from regimes that already have online censorship ensconced i…

> It only weakens privacy for iCloud photos if you have CP or photos in a CP database

Who controls what is in the database? What independent oversight ensures that it’s only CSAM images? The public certainly can’t audit it.

What is stopping the CCP from putting pro-Uighur or Xi Winnie the Pooh images into the database? Or from the US using this to locate images that are interesting from an intelligence perspective (Say for example pictures of Iranian Uranium centrifuges)? Apple says they will only add images that more than one government request? All it would take is a few G men to show up at Apple with a secret court order to do this no?

So… China and Hong Kong? The Five Eyes nations?

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by jdjd6 »

slownews45 wrote: post #8
dessant wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a new development, please don't try to suppress news.

I'm not trying to suppress news. There have been a ton of letters, calls to action, complaints and outrage about apple's actions. Many of the conversations are HIGHLY repetitive. I would strongly urge folks to review past discussions before re-hashing things (again) or focus on new elements. And these headlines "Global Coalition"? I hope folks realize there is also a "global coalition" of governments that are working…

Please don't point out that using the word "please" someone can pseudo politely insinuate that their opinion is correct and anything you say is wrong.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by sennight »

azinman2 wrote: post #11

> As we’ve explained in Deeplinks blog posts, Apple’s planned phone-scanning system opens the door to broader abuses. It decreases privacy for all iCloud photo users, and the parental notification system is a shift away from strong end-to-end encryption. It will tempt liberal democratic regimes to increase surveillance, and likely bring even great pressures from regimes that already have online censorship ensconced i…

> ...if you have CP or photos in a CP database...

Which database? I get the impression that people think there is a singular repository for thoroughly vetted and highly controlled CP evidence submission. No such thing exists.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by lrvick »

bequanna wrote: post #15

Does Tim Cook have a choice here? I would be surprised to hear that the genesis of this idea was inside of Apple vs. one or more govts pressuring Apple to add this functionality for them. It is also likely they even suggested that Apple should market this as anti-pedo tech to receive the least pushback from users.

Sure there is a choice.

They could open source the OS allowing independent auditing and independent privacy focused builds to emerge so people have a way to opt out, as they have on Android via projects like CalyxOS.

That is of course if privacy was actually a serious Apple objective.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by stingraycharles »

slownews45 wrote: post #8
dessant wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a new development, please don't try to suppress news.

I'm not trying to suppress news. There have been a ton of letters, calls to action, complaints and outrage about apple's actions. Many of the conversations are HIGHLY repetitive. I would strongly urge folks to review past discussions before re-hashing things (again) or focus on new elements. And these headlines "Global Coalition"? I hope folks realize there is also a "global coalition" of governments that are working…

I think it’s important to distinguish the comments from the submission. I agree the comments are mostly repetitive, but the submissions do, in fact, cover newsworthy facts that should not be dismissed.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by mlosgoodat »

slownews45 wrote: post #8
dessant wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a new development, please don't try to suppress news.

I'm not trying to suppress news. There have been a ton of letters, calls to action, complaints and outrage about apple's actions. Many of the conversations are HIGHLY repetitive. I would strongly urge folks to review past discussions before re-hashing things (again) or focus on new elements. And these headlines "Global Coalition"? I hope folks realize there is also a "global coalition" of governments that are working…

If the human element to this story was “cat gifs”, you might have a point.

The human element here is “world governments and multinational corps beholden to nobody want to insert the first of possibly many back doors into your emotional life”

Sit down. You’re just looking for attention for your ability to notice a basic pattern.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by azinman2 »

sennight wrote: post #25
azinman2 wrote: post #11

> As we’ve explained in Deeplinks blog posts, Apple’s planned phone-scanning system opens the door to broader abuses. It decreases privacy for all iCloud photo users, and the parental notification system is a shift away from strong end-to-end encryption. It will tempt liberal democratic regimes to increase surveillance, and likely bring even great pressures from regimes that already have online censorship ensconced i…

> ...if you have CP or photos in a CP database... Which database? I get the impression that people think there is a singular repository for thoroughly vetted and highly controlled CP evidence submission. No such thing exists.

It’s an intersection between a US db and a not yet chosen non-US db, which then will have a human reviewer verify its CP before sending off to the authorities.

Re: EFF Joins Global Coalition Asking Apple CEO Tim Cook to Stop Phone-Scanning

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Post by shuckles »

carlosdp wrote: post #14
azinman2 wrote: post #11

> As we’ve explained in Deeplinks blog posts, Apple’s planned phone-scanning system opens the door to broader abuses. It decreases privacy for all iCloud photo users, and the parental notification system is a shift away from strong end-to-end encryption. It will tempt liberal democratic regimes to increase surveillance, and likely bring even great pressures from regimes that already have online censorship ensconced i…

> (though that could easily be the same even without all these CSAM measures.. not a new threat) Apple has historically avoided being pressured by governments to allow this kind of surveillance by arguing they can't be forced to create functionality that doesn't exist, or hand over information they don't have. It's the argument they made in the San Bernadino case. If they release this, it'll be much harder to avoid g…

The request from the FBI in the San Bernardino case was to change a passcode limit constant and retry timeouts. Those are about as trivial to implement as any of the convoluted government coercion database attacks against CSAM detection being proposed here.
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