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Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#121

It sounds like the medication is an important part of this plan. Is it something that you anticipate someone would take indefinitely, or only to get down to a target weight? Also, can you give some ELI5 background on how the medication works in the body?

(Richie's co-founder here)

> ELI5 for how it works in the body:

GLP-1 RAs such as Semaglutide are increasingly looking like the best class of medication for weight management [1]

GLP-1 RA = Glucagon-like peptide 1 receptor agonist.

These medications stimulates a receptor in your body which results in a reduction in body weight and three main effects: 1 - Slowing down gastric emptying so food stays in your stomach for longer (this is thought to be why there is sometimes nausea when starting the medication) 2 - Making you feel full by working on your central nervous system 3 - Managing glucose control (which is why it's used for people with diabetes too)

[1] gives you a great summary of the field up to now and how it works.

> Is it something that you anticipate someone would take indefinitely, or only to get down to a target weight?

This will depend on the person, whether they are also diabetic and how much weight they have to lose and is decided through a conversation with their obesity doctor. After around 12-months on these medications the weight loss plateaus (at an average of 15% body weight). If one stops the medication then but hasn't made any changes to their lifestyle they'll likely put the weight back on. But during the 12 months of the program we will be tackling the other factors with the coach: sleep, stress, nutrition. And so after the first year it might well make sense to reduce the medication or stop completely.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

[1] https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/15/gl...

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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I have done just about everything over the years to lose weight. I tend to exercise a ton naturally, so it has been more about eating less than exercising more. I would say that my natural weight is slightly overweight but not obese. I've tried various brands of keto (Atkins/4 Hour Body), Weight Watchers, eating slowly, cutting out sugar and wheat, juice fasts. Everything has worked for a time, but the weight has eve…

"so I only need to stay where I am until the wedding, and then I can gain a few pounds" - this is interesting

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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post #95

I have done just about everything over the years to lose weight. I tend to exercise a ton naturally, so it has been more about eating less than exercising more. I would say that my natural weight is slightly overweight but not obese. I've tried various brands of keto (Atkins/4 Hour Body), Weight Watchers, eating slowly, cutting out sugar and wheat, juice fasts. Everything has worked for a time, but the weight has eve…

> I've read the research on willpower being a resource that you use up, and definitely agree with it I don't enjoy subjecting you to cognitive dissonance here...but some highly cited research shows this belief may be a self fulfilling prophecy. > Study 1 found that individual differences in lay theories about willpower moderate ego-depletion effects: People who viewed the capacity for self-control as not limited did…

Interesting, reading this now.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#124
post #95

I have done just about everything over the years to lose weight. I tend to exercise a ton naturally, so it has been more about eating less than exercising more. I would say that my natural weight is slightly overweight but not obese. I've tried various brands of keto (Atkins/4 Hour Body), Weight Watchers, eating slowly, cutting out sugar and wheat, juice fasts. Everything has worked for a time, but the weight has eve…

> I've read the research on willpower being a resource that you use up, and definitely agree with it I don't enjoy subjecting you to cognitive dissonance here...but some highly cited research shows this belief may be a self fulfilling prophecy. > Study 1 found that individual differences in lay theories about willpower moderate ego-depletion effects: People who viewed the capacity for self-control as not limited did…

Interesting! Thanks for sharing.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#125

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Hate to say it but marriage is a sure formula for men’s weight gain.

And any subsequent kids are an exponential... at least during lockdown for me

There's a lot going on in terms of the kids angle: increased stress, sleep deprivation, hormone changes, less time for exercise & healthy eating. Not easy.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#126

What visa are you guys on in the us? I work at big corp on l1 and would love to be a founder but waiting for green card…

You could go the O1 route. The Peter Roberts HN posts (the immigration attorney who does work for YC startups) has lots of great info on this area: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27560781

I’m aware about it in theory, but I think for people already in us on a work visa it’s a chicken and egg problem between starting and getting the o1. I can’t start anything as I can only work for my employer, and I can’t get an o1 because I can’t start anything. Looks like the founders are not interested in answering this one.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could go the O1 route. The Peter Roberts HN posts (the immigration attorney who does work for YC startups) has lots of great info on this area: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27560781

I’m aware about it in theory, but I think for people already in us on a work visa it’s a chicken and egg problem between starting and getting the o1. I can’t start anything as I can only work for my employer, and I can’t get an o1 because I can’t start anything. Looks like the founders are not interested in answering this one.

We're actually not based in the US right now as we had to return home for covid, and we're building a remote co.

To be honest we sadly don't have any useful advice for US visas: it's not a fun system.

Only thing is it's now more possible than ever to soak up US culture, run a US-focused company, but not be based in the US. But that's not what you wanna hear if you've built your life there. I'm sorry we can't be more helpful

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#128

I had been very, very excited to start semaglutide, but about eight weeks ago I picked up a CBT-based eating book called The Beck Diet Solution and I’ve so far found it very very effective

Not to suggest anything about your personal experience, but note that in general pretty much anyone can follow pretty much any diet for two months and lose weight if they try. The seriously hard bit - and the way you know you've found the right diet for you - is if you can follow it for the third month (and then all the months thereafter). Two months is roughly the upper limit for the "any diet will work for anyone" effect.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep Semaglutide is the key medication. Important to emphasize it appears to be a safe medication.

What is the evidence on safety? The side effects sound potentially pretty serious, and as if the likelihood goes up the longer you take it. If this has only been around for a couple years, I'm not sure I'd jump on this just yet. More details would be useful!

(Richie's co-founder here)

Semaglutide was FDA approved for diabetes in 2018 (3 years ago) and in June this year for weight management. It's part of a class of medication called GLP-1 RAs which operate in a similar way (they all stimulate the same GLP-1 receptor). Liraglutide is another common one that was approved by the FDA in 2010 (11 years ago) for diabetes (by the EU in 2009) and for weight management in 2014. So there is a 3 year of history with this particular medication and an 11 year history for this class of medication.

Here's more about the history of GLP-1s and other weight loss if you'd like: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/15/gl...

The main side effects that people seem to get are nausea and vomiting when adjusting to the dose, this is likely due to the slowing down of food leaving your stomach. This is documented in the study of nearly two thousand people which lasted for 68 weeks here [1] (where you can also see the other side effects).

It's worth noting that, as with any medication, there is a cost-benefit trade-off. In this case it will depend on someone's current weight, what they've tried in the past, and the risks of other conditions e.g. heart disease, diabetes, and their past medical history. Each person that joins Fella has an in-depth discussion about this with an independent obesity physician and is welcome to speak it through with their own PCP too.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2032183

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#130

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It's important you've written this. We need to have frank conversations about obesity. It affects a lot of people and a lot of people have very strong views on the best solution. I'll focus on one area of your post: "They will have developed no good habits at all. They will not have a clue as to how to manage stress. They sure as fuck are not going to understand that exercise is important and necessary. They are not…

> It's clear that moral indignation isn't working so far.

This is my favorite HN line in ages, kudos!

PS - in California and signed up for the wait list.

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