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Benefits of Not Using an IDE

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Re: Benefits of Not Using an IDE

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Post by city41 »

falcolas wrote: post #267
city41 wrote: post #204

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Do they have every single medicine memorized, or just the ones they most commonly use? Sure, I tend to remember the parts of libraries and apis I use often, but I'd still argue my editor having a reminder just a keystroke away is very beneficial.

More than just the most commonly used... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR7d56UeeeU <= Song-based memorization aide for 200 different medications

There are over 20,000 approved medications in the US. I don't really feel like this analogy is holding up very well. But, have I happened to remember about 200 or so API and library calls over my career? Probably.

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Post by hakfoo »

Waterluvian wrote: post #52
wokwokwok wrote: post #34

Listen, long story short: just say no to nonsense like this. Given the choice of a) tooling, or b) no tooling, you’re not being smart, cool or clever by choosing b. Obviously, what tools you pick are important and heavy IDEs like IntelliJ are a trade off between speed and functionality, and yeah, more nimble tools do exist, and it’s definitely worth trying different development tools to see what makes you most produc…

“Power drills have batteries or cords and motors that wear down and they’re more expensive and complex and can break more easily and it’s just smarter to bring hand crank tools to the worksite.” - Nobody

Conversely, for model building, I have much better results using #80 drill bits in a hand held twist drill than trying to chuck them into a power drill and hope that it will not break the bit or rip the delicate work asunder.

Similarly, an IDE can be overkill when you're writing a self-contained one-off task, or dealing with an opinionated IDE that doesn't fit with the project you're importing.

Re: Benefits of Not Using an IDE

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Post by crispyambulance »

"Not using an IDE" can mean very different things depending on how you define "editor".

I would say that an editor that INTEGRATES knowledge of your source in some way, like auto-complete, or red-squiggles, is very much a big step towards an IDE and should could as "using an IDE". Whether it does that using plug-ins/extensions or natively doesn't matter. If it has that functionality there's not that much more separating it from an IDE.

VSCode, for example, is more like an IDE than an editor especially as you add more and more extensions.

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Post by mionhe »

grogenaut wrote: post #104
the_third_wave wrote: post #95

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Power drills are simple tools, they are the 'vi' equivalent of the 'ed' manual drill. The physical equivalent of an IDE would be a laser-guided auto-centering/levelling drill with automatic drill bit changer/sharpener, depth guide, dust evacuation and material sensor with automatic lookup for which hole size and depth to use for the given task. It would weigh 15 kg, need an external power pack and be unusable in tigh…

I think you mean cnc machine. And those are amazingly productive.

CNC mills are super useful. But not all the time. I regularly (not all the time, or even a majority, but regularly) choose a manual mill over my cnc because for simple jobs that only require a part or two, it's faster than setting up the 3d model, deciding on cutting strategies, setting up the tools, etc.

My choice in editors follows the same logic. If I just need to jot down some notes, or knock together a simple bash script or something, it doesn't really matter what I use. Whatever has syntax highlighting and is available on that system is great. Something more complex, where I don't want to spend brain cycles on repetitive tasks or management that the tools can handle for me, I'd rather use something that will handle that for me.

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Post by kevindong »

realusername wrote: post #224
kevindong wrote: post #188

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For Java at least, the language server built into IntelliJ is comically further ahead than VS Code + extensions.

I know I'll make some people not happy by saying this but the only reason you need so much complex IDE tooling with Java compared to other languages is because the language itself & the tools associated to it are not very well designed. Just about everything requires some insane boilerplate where it should not. It's not a solution to a problem, it's a problem searching for a solution.

I don't entirely disagree. But the situation is what it is.

The reality is that Java at this point is a mature platform broadly supported by many, many stakeholders. Its benefits and issues are, in general, decently well known and understood.

Billions (likely even trillions) of lines of Java are running in production today and those applications will need to be maintained moving forward. IDEs make Java development a much more pleasant experience and so there will be a place for IDEs.

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Post by [deleted] »

k__ wrote: post #5

I used Webstorm for years, but switched to VSCode. It's just more flexible, which allows me to use new tech/langs very quickly. If you don't focus on IDE features, you tend to implement quality of life improvements at a level that also works in an editor. Like in the language, framework, or library you're using (See the code generators point in the article). With languages like Rust, that have zero cost abstractions,…

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Post by fartcannon »

mst wrote: post #257
fartcannon wrote: post #169

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I use both, one method is just less restrictive.

The whole "real men use vi" type superiority complex failure mode is intensely annoying (and I say this as somebody who often has original ex-vi installed) but the inverted version where you just have a superiority complex from the opposite direction isn't actually any better. It continues to amaze me that "it's worth becoming familiar with a wide range of tools and then pick the one that's going to work best for you…

Def. Just be careful not to read passion as a superiority complex, or a recommendation as condemnation.

Re: Benefits of Not Using an IDE

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Post by papaf »

Yajirobe wrote: post #234
bccdee wrote: post #165

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The thing I hate most about IDEs is when they insinuate themselves into a project's development workflow so deeply that you can't make do without them. Do I have to spin up a whole session of the IDE just to run my test suite? Do I have to dig through eleven nested GUI settings dialogues to find out what the command to build the damn project is, just so I can tweak a build parameter? Is there so much boilerplate or X…

> The thing I hate most about IDEs is when they insinuate themselves into a project's development workflow so deeply that you can't make do without them. Isn't this the case with Android Studio? Is it even possible to do Android development without Android Studio?

Is it even possible to do Android development without Android Studio?

Oh yes: https://www.lambdanative.org/

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