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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? T…
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Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? T…
It’s such a crazy world - a few months ago when I told people about having longcovid and how I didn’t want a relapse from the vaccine they were supportive. But now I’d get more compassion saying I’m a violent sex offender. Amazing what indoctrination can do in a few months.
I agree, but I never thought that it could be so effective myself until now.
And I'm sorry you had longcovid. That sucks.
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? T…
I do not likely share much in common with you culturally, but I sincerely delight in seeing an independently-minded thinker boldly taking the conversation to places they probably need to go.
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? T…
I am sorry you're being downvoted, the fact that people can do exactly what you're doing is one of the only positively distinguishing things about our country these days, and of course the capability for folks to do it shrinks by the minute. I do not likely share much in common with you culturally, but I sincerely delight in seeing an independently-minded thinker boldly taking the conversation to places they probably…
Thank you. :)
I think the most important culture to share is being independently-minded, so I guess we share that at the very least, and that makes me happy, no matter what parts of culture we don't share.
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? T…
What does someone need to say to you for you to start caring about other people?
Or is this some bogus "the man is making money!" lines of thought? You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money...right? They're all been paid to make the vaccines: that's why they're free at point of distribution. You getting a shot doesn't get them any richer. In fact, you can help big pharma make more money by getting sick. When you are slowly suffocating to death as your lungs fail, in your panic, you'll absolutely ask for anything to be out into your body for the hope that you won't die in agony (there's no treatments or cures, so it'll be a crap shoot).
Though, maybe you will avoid the same end as so many other Americans...
I'm glad you said that you won't get hospitalized because you have said that you refuse to be vaccinated. Because, honestly, while I hope that you don't die of this extremely preventable disease, I also hope that you don't waste other people's time. I have family that work in the ER. They've been doing this for over a year now: they exhausted themselves trying to save people before there was a way to prevent COVID.
Now....after having to interact with increasingly hostile patients (because only the unvaxxed are getting sick enough to be hospitalized) they don't really have any patience anymore. t They're tired of seeing scared unvaxxers coming in, being angry, and demanding the vaccine as they're dying. Only to get more hostile as they have to explain to them that there's no cures, no treatment, and that it's way too late to get vaccinated. They're past the point of empathy for people that can't even do the bate minimum to take care of their own health.
And, by the way, the unvaxxed are the only ones dying of COVID now. At worst, vaxxed folk come into the ICU for a day or two; never need a ventilator. The unvaxxed come in incredibly sick; more and more I get reports that young (20-40) are getting deathly ill. And, even more shocking, delta hits kids much harder than alpha: they're saying in droves now too. It's no longer a disease of the elderly and feeble anymore.
I've heard enough horror stories to say with sincerity that I hope you don't get vented. It's a terrible way to die: to have your last days on earth be around strangers looking down at you through masks and goggles while you're physically unable to speak. Slowly suffocating to death as a machine works increasingly harder to force air into your decaying lungs. Once you go on a vent, your chances of survival are depressingly low.
Good luck.
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? T…
You're incredibly wrong. The vaccine is safe. It works. And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. What does someone need to say to you for you to start caring about other people? Or is this some bogus "the man is making money!" lines of thought? You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money...right? They're all been paid to make the vaccines: that's why they're free at point of distributi…
> The vaccine is safe.
How can we know that without long-term studies?
> It works.
Yet its effectiveness is decreasing with each new variant.
> And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic.
COVID is endemic now. Nothing will "end" the pandemic.
> You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money. They're all been paid...right? You getting a shot doesn't get them any richer.
First off, no, my decision is not about making Big Pharma more money, but you are simply wrong here. Yes, they have already made money making some amount of doses, but if I get the vaccine, that adds to the demand, which raises the price, which causes them to make more and sell more, which makes them more money.
> I hope that you don't die of this extremely preventable disease. I hope you don't get vented and have your last days on earth be around strangers looking down at you through masks and goggles while you're physically unable to speak +because, you know, there'll be a giant tube in your throat).
I have already made the decision that if I get that sick, I won't get treatment because I did not get the vaccine. So talking about how I don't care about people is entirely wrong as well. I care about people, so I won't take the hospital bed. Also, I care about their rights, so I will die on that hill.
Also, I suspect that I've already had COVID. I thought it was a cold at the time. So I don't think getting the vaccine would do me any good.
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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It’s such a crazy world - a few months ago when I told people about having longcovid and how I didn’t want a relapse from the vaccine they were supportive. But now I’d get more compassion saying I’m a violent sex offender. Amazing what indoctrination can do in a few months.
> Amazing what indoctrination can do in a few months. I agree, but I never thought that it could be so effective myself until now. And I'm sorry you had longcovid. That sucks.
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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You're incredibly wrong. The vaccine is safe. It works. And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. What does someone need to say to you for you to start caring about other people? Or is this some bogus "the man is making money!" lines of thought? You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money...right? They're all been paid to make the vaccines: that's why they're free at point of distributi…
You're about as wrong as me. > The vaccine is safe. How can we know that without long-term studies? > It works. Yet its effectiveness is decreasing with each new variant. > And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. COVID is endemic now. Nothing will "end" the pandemic. > You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money. They're all been paid...right? You getting a shot doesn't get them any r…
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? T…
You're incredibly wrong. The vaccine is safe. It works. And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. What does someone need to say to you for you to start caring about other people? Or is this some bogus "the man is making money!" lines of thought? You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money...right? They're all been paid to make the vaccines: that's why they're free at point of distributi…
Strictly speaking that's not 100% true, there have been covid deaths of fully vaccinated people. I personally know of one here in CA.
Of course, these are few and far between, nearly all the deaths are unvaccinated people, so the rest of your points stand.
Re: Orlando urges residents to conserve water because of surge in hospitalizations
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You're incredibly wrong. The vaccine is safe. It works. And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. What does someone need to say to you for you to start caring about other people? Or is this some bogus "the man is making money!" lines of thought? You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money...right? They're all been paid to make the vaccines: that's why they're free at point of distributi…
You're about as wrong as me. > The vaccine is safe. How can we know that without long-term studies? > It works. Yet its effectiveness is decreasing with each new variant. > And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. COVID is endemic now. Nothing will "end" the pandemic. > You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money. They're all been paid...right? You getting a shot doesn't get them any r…
It's unbelievably well tested. Pfizer and Moderna have minimal side effects compared even yo the most mild of COVID cases. You're saying that you're ok with extreme covid symptoms (permeant reduced lung capacity, significant loss of taste and smell, permeant brain fog) but not ok with a vaccine that's proven safe in hundreds of millions of people? That's just bad risk assessment.
And they're still incredibly effective against new strains. They're preventing hospitalization, death, and extreme, permeant symptoms. That is their goal. They're working.
> but if I get the vaccine, that adds to the demand,
Wrong. The supply is already created. It's already been paid for by the federal government. Your individual demand is irrelevant.
> I won't get treatment because I did not get the vaccine. So talking about how I don't care about people is entirely wrong as well. I care about people, so I won't take the hospital bed.
If you're unvaccinated, then you are still hurting others by being a vector for (1) incubating the virus and thus spreading it and (2) being a petri dish for deadly mutation to evolve. And if your resolve on your deathbed changes, as so many doctors and nurses have seen, then you'll take that hospital bed anyways.
And if you did actually already have COVID (and not a cold or any number of other diseases that are mild and share some COVID symptoms), then getting better antibodies would be a good thing. No logic as to why you would not want to increase your immune systems' effectiveness.