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Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by bertil »

dehrmann wrote: post #442
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #205

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Slightly off-topic: shouldn't the 'new normal' be to wear N95/N99 masks? We know they're far more effective, and there's been plenty of time to ramp up production. I don't see why the 'normal' option is to wear a non-medical mask. It's also surprising that societies are entirely incapable of doing a hard lockdown for 3 weeks with mandatory testing at the end. I imagine that would be enough to reduce the case count to…

It's just hygiene theater to make people feel better. 95% of time when I see masks in a situation that isn't particularly risky (outdoors), it's not an N95. People do it because it makes them feel safer and to virtue signal. What's bizarre is that it's rare for public health officials to care, either. It makes me think they're actually very effective (which I doubt with delta), they want to people to feel safe to kee…

You argument is in bad faith: because something is effective but not perfect doesn’t mean we should get rid of it. If people are not wearing a mask properly, we should explain why it matters and how to do it — not throw out a good idea.

Same thing for lockdown: it works. It might not be enough, or there are too many edge cases in Australia, but dismissing distancing because the first attempt wasn’t enough, or perfect is the opposite of what Hacker News stands for.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by cmoscoso »

zzt123 wrote: post #218
jmfldn wrote: post #151

Purely anecdotal but I'm double vaccinated (Astra Zeneca) and I caught Covid recently. It was probably Delta as 99% of cases in UK are. I know of quite a few vaccinated friends who've caught it recently too. Mainly AZ I think but one was Pfizer (single jabbed). Anyway, none of us had severe illness although I felt pretty rough for a few days like I had a really bad cold and smell went for a week completely. I was bas…

Same. My breakthrough infection lasted over a week. Nothing serious, but definitely very infectious, so I self quarantined. I’ve had minimal social contact and just about avoided COVID the original, so it was surprising how quickly I caught Delta after it became dominant.

Sick for a week despite being vaccinated?

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by peakaboo »

jmfldn wrote: post #151

Purely anecdotal but I'm double vaccinated (Astra Zeneca) and I caught Covid recently. It was probably Delta as 99% of cases in UK are. I know of quite a few vaccinated friends who've caught it recently too. Mainly AZ I think but one was Pfizer (single jabbed). Anyway, none of us had severe illness although I felt pretty rough for a few days like I had a really bad cold and smell went for a week completely. I was bas…

Have you even thought about the kind of future you are promoting here? A society where people wear masks and continually force vaccinates their bodies?

This used to be dystopian science fiction just a few years ago. Now I see people like you acting like that's where we should be heading. So extreamly weird!

It's like you don't understand how unnatural it is for humans to wear masks and inject chemical substances into their blood streams. Do you think about what you are saying? What kind of world it creates for humanity?

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by bertil »

betwixthewires wrote: post #437
delecti wrote: post #90

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> Get vaccinated every 6 - 12 months indefinitely and always wear masks An annual Flu and COVID shot seems perfectly reasonable. Wearing masks in public is already normal (or at least not uncommon) in many places, and I don't have a problem with where I live being one of those places.

What if I have a problem with where I live being one of those places? Or another question in a similar vein, what if I don't have a problem wearing a mask but my neighbor does? Also I'd point out, seasonal flu vaccines are not mandatory and in most places have a low vaccination rate. Would you be fine with a non mandatory covid vaccine?

> What if I have a problem with where I live being one of those places? > Or another question in a similar vein, what if I don't have a problem wearing a mask but my neighbor does?

Smocking raised the same questions.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by peakaboo »

Jeema101 wrote: post #392
dcolkitt wrote: post #354

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There’s a question of preferences that too often gets buried in this debate. If Covid becomes endemic at around its current severity, what level of pandemic restrictions are you willing to accept forever? For me personally, Covid would have to be at least 100 times worse before I’d support masking forever. But I get the sense that some people barely see any downside to it. I think these cross-views drive so much if t…

I hope I am mistaken here, but... are you saying that it would need to kill 1/6th of the population every year (instead of 1/600) before you will consider putting a piece of cloth over your face? What's so terrible about wearing a mask?

Wow. I hope you realize how ridiculous that statement is. In the real world, 99.99% at least survives covid. In Sweden 99.995%.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by marton78 »

zapataband1 wrote: post #504
dcolkitt wrote: post #354

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There’s a question of preferences that too often gets buried in this debate. If Covid becomes endemic at around its current severity, what level of pandemic restrictions are you willing to accept forever? For me personally, Covid would have to be at least 100 times worse before I’d support masking forever. But I get the sense that some people barely see any downside to it. I think these cross-views drive so much if t…

We're in the middle of a novel pandemic and children are apparently filling up ICUs, I could care less about what people on hackernews's 'preferences' on masks are. Let's be grown up and listen to the Doctors.

In which country are children filling up ICUs?

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by peakaboo »

ivanhoe wrote: post #438
betwixthewires wrote: post #411

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You're misdirecting and missing the point entirely. While I'm not quite anti mask like the parent comment, it is an important question to consider, it is always a trade off. What severity warrant what measures? If there's still covid like now in 10 years, will we all have to wear masks at work until we retire? Is this feasible? If not, then when do we stop? Will the people advocating it ever tell us to stop? If not,…

> will we all have to wear masks at work until we retire It's really funny to watch all the push back against masks considering how many uncomfortable things people put on themselves every single day, and usually just because someone told them it's cool thing to do. High heels, bras, neckties, etc. and not to forget things that we do to our bodies like implants and piercings and tattoos - most of that is way less use…

> Acceptance of masks as a regular part of clothing is just a matter of making it a cool thing to do.

I'm completely shocked to hear someone say this with a straight face. Humanity wearing masks over their face forever as if its a tattoo or a ring. And that's what you actually think is a good thing.

I can't express my complete disgust in that opinion.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by subsection1h »

peakaboo wrote: post #573
jmfldn wrote: post #151

Purely anecdotal but I'm double vaccinated (Astra Zeneca) and I caught Covid recently. It was probably Delta as 99% of cases in UK are. I know of quite a few vaccinated friends who've caught it recently too. Mainly AZ I think but one was Pfizer (single jabbed). Anyway, none of us had severe illness although I felt pretty rough for a few days like I had a really bad cold and smell went for a week completely. I was bas…

Have you even thought about the kind of future you are promoting here? A society where people wear masks and continually force vaccinates their bodies? This used to be dystopian science fiction just a few years ago. Now I see people like you acting like that's where we should be heading. So extreamly weird! It's like you don't understand how unnatural it is for humans to wear masks and inject chemical substances into…

> A society where people wear masks and continually force vaccinates their bodies? This used to be dystopian science fiction just a few years ago.

Hi, 57-day-old account. People have been wearing masks in Japan for many years. I have gotten flu vaccinations for decades. Where have you lived all your life that flu vaccinations are considered science fiction? Mississippi?

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by vkou »

tunesmith wrote: post #345
doubleunplussed wrote: post #335

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Viruses are subject to selection, mutation, and heredity. These are the three necessary ingredients for Darwinian evolution. Whether they're defined as "life" or not isn't really relevant. (Personally, I have a pet definition of "life" that just equates it to being subject to Darwinian evolution. Viruses not being defined as life never sat well with me) Vaccines can't do their thing in a petri dish, they need an immu…

I just keep seeing repeats of logic like this (this example from this random article: https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497... ) "The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations. “Let’s explain this concept a little further. Any virus will keep trying to change, so it can continue to spread. With all vaccines, the more quickly people get vaccinated the better.…

> Why do people keep saying the virus causes the mutations? It's completely irresponsible.

The truly amazing thing is that they cite the Delta variant as an example for why vaccines cause dangerous mutations, without noting that Delta arose in December 2020, in India.

Not a lot of folks were vaccinated there around that time.

Re: The mutation that helps Delta spread

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #514
dehrmann wrote: post #451

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Fauci later admitted to essentially lying to the public so there wasn't a shortage of masks for healthcare workers. https://www.thestreet.com/video/dr-fauci-masks-changing-dire... > "Well, the reason for [not telling people to wear masks in March, 2020] is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, incl…

Government employees have a habit of doing that.

Do you think government employees do it more than non government employees?
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