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Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

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post #42

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One way to look at this is unlike a timeshare, Ancana has no ownership interest in the property. Resorts own the property and sell you access to that property. At the point all of the shares are sold, we become property managers. You don't have to sell the share back to us like you do with timeshares - in fact, we don't purchase shares back. You are free to list your fraction with an agent of your choosing or sell to…

Who becomes owner of a person's share if he stops paying maintenance fees?

Ancana steps in and takes over the share and finds another buyer. Other co-owners are protected in this case.

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#102
post #9

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You should have read the post before commenting. > Unlike a timeshare, Ancana owners own a real asset (the property) versus a block of time. If you decide you want to sell your share, you are free to do so at any time, either through us or on the open market, and capture any appreciation the property has accrued.

That doesn't mean there is someone willing to buy it on the other end.

demand for this model of ownership is exploding. From a buyer's perspective there is no functional difference between the primary and secondary market. It is certainly more liquid than a timeshare and in most cases easier to sell than an entire home given the lower upfront and maintenance costs

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#103
I would suggest looking closely at making shared ownership easier for friends and family, rather than a complex partnership of strangers. We know of people that would buy a vacation home together, but the purchase, management, maintenance and use scheduling is complicated enough to shelve the idea.

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#104
post #9

If it looks like a timeshare and smells like a timeshare, it’s a timeshare. If there’s no secondary free market to sell these “fractional ownerships” it’s just forced rent I can’t resell.

You should have read the post before commenting. > Unlike a timeshare, Ancana owners own a real asset (the property) versus a block of time. If you decide you want to sell your share, you are free to do so at any time, either through us or on the open market, and capture any appreciation the property has accrued.

What open market? There's no liquidity there.

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#105
post #93

I wonder if there is a way to game your system. For example instead of buying a 1/4 fraction, someone could set up two LLCs each owning two 1/8 shares. With the way you rotate the priority order from year to year, the person would get "first choice" two times within one cycle. Getting first choice two times for 1/8 each is superior to first choice one time for 1/4. For example the weeks around very popular vacation d…

Nice arb!

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#106

A question to you for something you surely must have considered: why as vacation homes and not as investment properties? Is it a mortgage thing? I’d be happy to consider investing in a small bucket of houses, in some sort of tranche sense to diversify my portfolio but REITs are too large in general for me to understand the bucket and single homes are too illiquid.

We want people to use the home! Our goal in founding Ancana was to open up the vacation home market to more people. We see these homes as places to make lifelong memories with friends & family. A net benefit of our model is that your home is an investment - if you decide to sell and the property has increased in value, you capture that appreciation. There are other companies that make it possible to invest in a REIT-…

Okay cool. Just a product vision thing, then.

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#107

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Right, the fractional ownership model has been around for decades. We are making it more accessible and streamlining an otherwise complicated process. As you can see from this thread, the assumption by many is that we are a new take on a timeshare. But like your linked article demonstrates, there are many important differences between fractional ownership and timeshares. So while it rolls off the tongue easier, we wa…

To me it just sounds like you’re trying to avoid a 4 letter word. Even if your model is completely different, it’s so on the periphery of timeshares that I think you really need to find a different term. Maybe one that’s less “accurate” and one that’s a brand all its own. Might be worthwhile to learn how AirBNB has described themselves over time. Their name at least plays on something familiar but makes it different.…

Nomadomicile

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#108
> Priority order is determined by the owner's purchase date (1st buyer gets 1st choice, 2nd buyer gets 2nd choice, etc), with the order rotating each year (2nd buyer gets 1st selection in year 2, 3rd buyer gets 1st selection in year 3, etc.).

That's pretty awful.

Do early buyers pay a premium? Do late buyers get a discount?

Why not do a lottery? Or an actual cash based auction (proceeds go to maintenance fees... which is good for everyone)?

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#109

As someone who has sat through several of them (and has bought a few), this is exactly, almost word-for-word (right down to the references to the complaints about the rest of the industry) the elevator pitch for every timeshare/vacation ownership scheme ever. > Unlike a timeshare, Ancana owners own a real asset (the property) versus a block of time. Like literally every timeshare/vacation ownership scheme I’ve seen o…

Thanks for the feedback. One of our biggest challenges is in overcoming the gimmicks timeshares use to hook customers. My parents have had a few different timeshares, some of which were great, others complete scams. They've been incredibly successful in building huge businesses with these tactics. It really comes down to what you are purchasing, when you can use the property, and how you resell. With timeshares you a…

It's hard to believe a timeshare can really compete with keeping the money and then spending it when you want at the resort or hotel you want to spend it at when you want to spend it.

"Just say no" seems to be the answer for me.

Re: Launch HN: Ancana (YC S21) – Fractional ownership of vacation homes

#110

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What is unique and refreshing about your pitch is that you're using contracts, but you don't use the blockchain! The environment thanks you, and you don't automatically sound like a charlatan shilling a get-rich-quick pyramid scheme. And you used a nice word like "bananas" to aptly describe the US housing market instead of cussing.

> you don't automatically sound like a charlatan shilling a get-rich-quick pyramid scheme Well they don't automatically, but this is still very clearly just a shady timeshare ad.

Now where did I put my Buzzword Bingo card? I think I have a winner! What a singularly awful name, that didn't age well in the COVID era:

Crowdvilla will leverage blockchain to rejuvenate the timeshare industry

https://venturebeat.com/2018/03/20/crowdvilla-will-leverage-...

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