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Post by flemhans »

bdowling wrote: post #159
devnull3 wrote: post #106

It seems this person has/had some major work problems at Apple. The employees there apparently kept scores (on a white board?) to make her want to quit the job [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1427351298920239106 No matter who is in the wrong here, this is some A-grade toxic shit. This is unacceptable even for kids let alone adults.

There's a lot more. https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html Edit: I don't understand her endgame. She's not going back to work at Apple after the negative publicity she's been generating. She probably doesn't care because she's in law school and will be graduating soon. Is her goal to negotiate a generous settlement? The negative publicity reduces the value of her settlement. (Companies will pay for an…

I wouldn't hire her. She just screams trouble, no matter if she's right or wrong.

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Post by dylan604 »

pbreit wrote: post #339
dylan604 wrote: post #213

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I've personally started working for a company that demanded any code that I write during employment for company is owned by them regardless if I write it during working hours or at home. I had to list out each project that I had worked on or continuing to work on to establish a history of before/after start of employment. Any new personal project had to be added to the list after a discussion to see how that project…

How would they even remotely be able to enforce such and thing? And is there any chance they actually would?

Depends on what the valuation of the project your developing is I'd guess. Also how similar your new project is to what your day job is.

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Post by dheera »

beambot wrote: post #225
dheera wrote: post #181

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> legal forced me to hand-over all my texts Who is "legal"? Corporate legal? They no right to your personal phone. Even if they were subpoenaed, they could only ask you to hand over data on corporate devices, not your personal one. The only people who can get your personal device are a search warrant from a court.

Most of these companies offer a BYOD option where you explicitly agree to co-mingle work & personal use of your phone -- upto & including paying your cellular bills. This frequently means signing waivers permitting surveillance, installing corporate applications, surrendering the phone upon termination, and placing everything on the device at risk of subpoena. When the company is subpoenaed, they aren't going to give…

Right, makes sense. I'd never BYOD to work unless I had a spare throwaway device specifically for that. But as long as you maintain a separate personal device that you never touch work stuff on -- and hell, never bring it inside the office -- they shouldn't have the right to data on that.

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Post by Cd00d »

roudaki wrote: post #219
lmm wrote: post #182

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If you're trying to get promoted by doing unpaid overtime and/or unpaid oncall shifts, you're a class traitor screwing over your colleagues. Help them by setting healthy boundaries even if you don't actually need them yourself.

You are wasting your breath. You know he thinks most people are lazy and earning below 200k "for a reason." A guy won Nobel prize proving your quality of life or happiness does not improve above 75k. Thats what you need. And in IT you dont need to do unpaid overtime or sacrifice your time with family to get to 75k. Everything above that and you are doing it on purpose cause you value money over family and personal re…

You sure are projecting a lot about me.

Might want to introspect on that a bit.

I haven't called anyone lazy.

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Post by Cd00d »

lmm wrote: post #182
Cd00d wrote: post #148

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I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

If you're trying to get promoted by doing unpaid overtime and/or unpaid oncall shifts, you're a class traitor screwing over your colleagues. Help them by setting healthy boundaries even if you don't actually need them yourself.

You might want to check that anger a bit.

As I said, I do have a healthy work life balance. I also have responsibilities to my family and to my colleagues, and balancing those is difficult. Especially during a pandemic with no child care - I'm full time working and full time parenting.

Can you empathize with that?

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Post by cortesoft »

dheera wrote: post #183
cortesoft wrote: post #133

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Personal devices could certainly be a part of discovery.

The company has no legal right to even know you have a personal device. You could just say you don't have one. Or just quit the company if they ask you to hand over a personal device.

It’s not the company who is doing discovery. It is the legal system. You can’t quit out of that.

If personal devices were not subject to legal discovery, every company would just have all the executives only use a personal device for all communication, and suddenly they are immune to discovery?

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Post by [deleted] »

dheera wrote: post #335
lacker wrote: post #261

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It's almost always the other party in the lawsuit who is subpoenaing your past communications. Your employer is being forced by the court to retrieve these; it isn't their choice. It is in fact possible for your personal communications to get subpoenaed for a lawsuit related to your work. But, the other party will need some evidence that you had a conversation on a personal device that relates to the lawsuit. They ca…

This is stupid. Reformat your personal device every week as a habitual practice. Keep multiple personal devices. Use voice when possible so that wiretap laws protect you. Company should have no right to your family communications. I never use text.

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Post by cortesoft »

dheera wrote: post #335
lacker wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost always the other party in the lawsuit who is subpoenaing your past communications. Your employer is being forced by the court to retrieve these; it isn't their choice. It is in fact possible for your personal communications to get subpoenaed for a lawsuit related to your work. But, the other party will need some evidence that you had a conversation on a personal device that relates to the lawsuit. They ca…

This is stupid. Reformat your personal device every week as a habitual practice. Keep multiple personal devices. Use voice when possible so that wiretap laws protect you. Company should have no right to your family communications. I never use text.

I don’t know why you keep saying it is the company that is trying to access your communications. It isn’t. It is the courts ordering you to hand over your communication.

If you delete something that the court has ordered you to turn over, they can and will charge you with contempt.

Again, this isn’t your employer doing this. Your employer would love if you didn’t turn over anything, but they are legally required to cooperate and will get in a lot of trouble if they don’t do their part.

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Post by bumby »

merrywhether wrote: post #231
roudaki wrote: post #219

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You are wasting your breath. You know he thinks most people are lazy and earning below 200k "for a reason." A guy won Nobel prize proving your quality of life or happiness does not improve above 75k. Thats what you need. And in IT you dont need to do unpaid overtime or sacrifice your time with family to get to 75k. Everything above that and you are doing it on purpose cause you value money over family and personal re…

That Nobel winner wasn’t trying to buy a house in the Bay Area.

That study is old, but I still suspect there’s a grain of truth that the financial cutoff is lower than many would suspect.

A rough off-the-cuff calculation is that $75k is roughly double the median US income. If the same rough estimate is applied to SV, that’s about $110k. I bet that’s much much lower than many SV/HN would suspect for a happiness threshold. If you can’t find a way to be happy on double the median income, it implies the system is rigged to make an awfully lot of people miserable.

The problem is often not that happiness isn’t possible, but that we compare ourselves to our peer group to calibrate our expectations. As Roosevelt said, comparison is the thief of joy.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

bdowling wrote: post #159
devnull3 wrote: post #106

It seems this person has/had some major work problems at Apple. The employees there apparently kept scores (on a white board?) to make her want to quit the job [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1427351298920239106 No matter who is in the wrong here, this is some A-grade toxic shit. This is unacceptable even for kids let alone adults.

There's a lot more. https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html Edit: I don't understand her endgame. She's not going back to work at Apple after the negative publicity she's been generating. She probably doesn't care because she's in law school and will be graduating soon. Is her goal to negotiate a generous settlement? The negative publicity reduces the value of her settlement. (Companies will pay for an…

Getting ready to write her woke book about bad capitalism ruining her life on a 6 figures salary and becoming a public attorney.

I'm sure it's not because of the money, it's purely a political motivation. That's what she wants to do in her life.

I understand it, I also take all the chances I have to bash the government, out of pure hatred.

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