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Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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I changed my phone to a Fairphone 3+ running LineageOS. I'm liking it so far. I think it's as ethical & private as I can get while still have a smartphone right now. I also changed my photos to backup to Nextcloud, which I'm self-hosting. I wrote about switching from Google Photos to Nextcloud here: https://blog.leavemealone.app/moving-from-google-photos-to-n...

Thanks, going for this option as well!

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Yeah, so don't upload your pictures to google photo. The main take away here is find an alternate backup cloud spot or host your own. Apple is forcing spying software on their phones on the customer to use your very own device to spy. Unless you're simply trying to avoid false positives as a reason, most people are complaining about apple turning their device into a government 4th amendment free zone.

> The main take away here is find an alternate backup cloud spot or host your own Every cloud provider has been scanning for CSAM all along. If you're rolling your own on a major hosting company they're probably doing it as well. > most people are complaining about apple turning their device into a government 4th amendment free zone. Apple is a large company but they're not the government, so the 4th amendment has no…

Your point is valid but offers cold comfort. The government raiding your cloud without a warrant grants you more legal protection than Apple handing it over.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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For me, it was well thought-out. Apple betrayed my trust as a consumer and the response in the past week was plain gaslighting. I thought about it for a couple of days and then decided that I don't want to support a company like that anymore. (edit)I was planning to buy a new MBP/iPhone/Watch in Q4, so this made it easier to decide on those purchases earlier.(/edit) It's correct that the CSAM scanning is currently on…

You're in for a rough ride if you change entire platforms and ecosystems every time someone disappoints you. Afaik, Microsoft and Google do a lot worse than Apple, so where are you going to go? Linux?

> You're in for a rough ride if you change entire platforms and ecosystems every time someone disappoints you.

As an aside, this entirely explains US politics.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Apple's using my electricity and my silicon to call the cops on me. We have no idea what hashes they're checking images against; we can't see the raw data, and we can't see the hashes, and we can't see what they're sending to their servers. There is no technical reason why this needs to exist. If they want to scan iCloud photos for something, they can do that on their servers. iCloud is not end-to-end encrypted. Law…

> Apple's using my electricity and my silicon to call the cops on me. Okay. > We have no idea what hashes they're checking images against; we can't see the raw data, and we can't see the hashes, and we can't see what they're sending to their servers. Apple is getting the entire image regardless, this happens as part of the iCloud upload process. > There is no technical reason why this needs to exist. If they want to…

From the Slippery Slope page, their first example of a false slippery slope: "We can't permit the sale of marijuana by doctor's prescription, because that will lead people to believe it's an acceptable drug; this will open the floodgates to the complete legalization of the drug for use by every pothead in the country."

Umm... that happened.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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> The main take away here is find an alternate backup cloud spot or host your own Every cloud provider has been scanning for CSAM all along. If you're rolling your own on a major hosting company they're probably doing it as well. > most people are complaining about apple turning their device into a government 4th amendment free zone. Apple is a large company but they're not the government, so the 4th amendment has no…

Your point is valid but offers cold comfort. The government raiding your cloud without a warrant grants you more legal protection than Apple handing it over.

I mean I get it, I don't like people snooping in my stuff, but on the other hand I can't fathom why any online service provider would be okay with hosting criminal activity on their platform.

If we want constitutional rights to extend to our online hosting, we should be asking for the government to own and operate a public cloud platform paid for with our taxes.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Apple's using my electricity and my silicon to call the cops on me. We have no idea what hashes they're checking images against; we can't see the raw data, and we can't see the hashes, and we can't see what they're sending to their servers. There is no technical reason why this needs to exist. If they want to scan iCloud photos for something, they can do that on their servers. iCloud is not end-to-end encrypted. Law…

> Apple's using my electricity and my silicon to call the cops on me. Okay. > We have no idea what hashes they're checking images against; we can't see the raw data, and we can't see the hashes, and we can't see what they're sending to their servers. Apple is getting the entire image regardless, this happens as part of the iCloud upload process. > There is no technical reason why this needs to exist. If they want to…

> iOS is your operating system, it can send what it likes where it likes without you knowing about it. Why does this particular thing cause concern?

Then I guess it's not my operating system after all.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Except in these cases, it's not the government asking these companies to take down the "misinformation" videos. In fact, some of these companies try to add "misleading" label to actual, official government announcements.. Trying to run a parallel, unelected government.

Which, again, has always been the case. It’s a very new phenomenon where an individual can deliver speech directly to thousands of people. The media were the gatekeepers of information and influencers of mass opinion, and they would frequently run stories with counterfactual information that suited their purposes. Companies have always tried to run parallel, unelected governments. Whether it’s “company towns,” banana…

> has always been the case

I don't know what your point is. Even if this is true, (which it definitely isn't), should they continue to hold unlimited powers? Blood has been shed over centuries to limit the powers of the government and to get the rights we have.

I am not sure where you get the idea that free speech means speech without consequences. If I have a million followers and a sell something dubious, people would sue me for befrauding them

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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To be honest... None. It's a choice. You might wholly disagree, but recent events aren't enough to get me to switch yet, because I think the competition has too many tradeoffs. I can get my photos scanned against a CSAM database... or I can have Google tracking my location constantly regardless of what they say (as they've been proven to be misleading in the past)... or I can use a Linux phone and say goodbye to batt…

this. It's 21st century people, we care about usability...

What simplifies in my life if I'm moving away from any ecosystem that tracks me to the OSS way, do I have to compile my own Chromium over the night? "oh, my Linux segfaulted, let's reinstall the OS"

time. Saving time on these operations is worth more than some X-company sniffing my network traffic. Yes, I care about privacy, I always decline the cookie pop-ups, always ask for GDPR contract before handing over my phone no./email to recruiters et. al. I'm doing my best without breaking usability & affecting time spent on these operations.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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May I ask what software you use for pro audio production? I'm looking for an alternative to Logic. Thanks!

I use Bitwig Studio. It has that polished feel of Jetbrains products and has very good MIDI production tools among other things. Of course the downside it's not free and rather expensive, but it's linux native. All the VSTs that I need work through wine/yabridge flawlessly - Ample Guitars, Pianoteq. Even the crappy Kontakt works, but I don't use it much. Backend audio server is JACK2 with Pulseaudio sink. Ardour is p…

When you purchase Bitwig, is it a one-off, rather than working on a subscription model?

Sad to say that's rather refreshing if so.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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It's only a matter of time before Google starts doing the same thing. I can't imagine Google wont do it eventually.

I don't think they will. They already scan it all in the cloud, and the benefit of doing it on device is for user privacy, that's not something google gives a shit about.

All it takes is "Pedophiles are using Android to share images with one another in person by disabling uploading images to the cloud" or something like that to be a headline and the pressure will be on to follow Apple's direction.
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